Comments on: The report of the death of VoIP has been grossly exaggerated http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/ Stories from around the Nokia neighbourhood Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:47:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Roller http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-15332 Roller Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:20:53 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-15332 It is very difficult to go from an n95 to an n97 and not be able to use my VOIP provider. 3rd party solutions aren't acceptable. Giving account details for an internal sip server to an external organisation like fring is not an option. Regarding our 'minority', 6 of my friends got n95's on my recommendation, and of them, some of them recommended to friends and so on. I am recommending my n97 to NOONE! and letting everyone know how much inferior it is to my 2 year old n95 (even with the 2.0 firmware that Nokia touted as adding voip). The notion that a voip 'friendly' company would just forget to add it to their flagship phone is nonsense. If the app is not there, it's not there!! you can't be voip friendly and not have a functioning voip client! allowing folk to enter the settings, but then not use them makes it all the more painful. It is very difficult to go from an n95 to an n97 and not be able to use my VOIP provider. 3rd party solutions aren’t acceptable. Giving account details for an internal sip server to an external organisation like fring is not an option.

Regarding our ‘minority’, 6 of my friends got n95’s on my recommendation, and of them, some of them recommended to friends and so on. I am recommending my n97 to NOONE! and letting everyone know how much inferior it is to my 2 year old n95 (even with the 2.0 firmware that Nokia touted as adding voip).

The notion that a voip ‘friendly’ company would just forget to add it to their flagship phone is nonsense. If the app is not there, it’s not there!! you can’t be voip friendly and not have a functioning voip client! allowing folk to enter the settings, but then not use them makes it all the more painful.

]]> By: manoskol http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-14722 manoskol Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:38:26 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-14722 I was a happy nokia N80 (1st edition) and n95 user that managed to use the intergraded voip software with my asterisk server and use it to communicate through corporate LAN, inside house and even communicate of vast metropolitan wan in athens with thousands of voip users. Its amazing. There is no words to describe the disappointment of s60v3 and s60v5 lack of build in voip/sip client. The only sollution as i see with 3rd party software for the s60v3 owners (n96 etc) is the optimobile uniphone client (costs 25E) and really works. I bought a s60v5 phone (not n97 or 5800 but i8910) i hope someday optimobile will upgrade the app to use it on s60v5 Nokia we are dissapointed....to say the least I was a happy nokia N80 (1st edition) and n95 user that managed to use the intergraded voip software with my asterisk server and use it to communicate through corporate LAN, inside house and even communicate of vast metropolitan wan in athens with thousands of voip users. Its amazing. There is no words to describe the disappointment of s60v3 and s60v5 lack of build in voip/sip client. The only sollution as i see with 3rd party software for the s60v3 owners (n96 etc) is the optimobile uniphone client (costs 25E) and really works.
I bought a s60v5 phone (not n97 or 5800 but i8910) i hope
someday optimobile will upgrade the app to use it on s60v5
Nokia we are dissapointed….to say the least

]]> By: Bonnie http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-13315 Bonnie Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:58:04 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-13315 People here who let their accusations and threats fly need to get some perspective. We VoIP aficionados are a small minority who don't sway Nokia market share one way or another. We may sway industry insiders' opinions, but only if we keep our comments fair and civilized. Credit where credit is due: Nokia has put considerable effort into open-standards VoIP and the results outshine those of the competition. Let's face it, Apple is lukewarm at best about VoIP, the available 3rd-party Jesusphone clients won't even multitask. RIM had SIP VoIP on one Blackberry, but then abandoned it for operator-monopolistic UMA. Microsoft has passable VoIP support in Windows Mobile 6+, but its licensees routinely leave it out from their products. Yes, Nokia has problems executing (the N97 VoIP MIA proves the point) and its customer communication often makes things worse, but the VoIP-friendly mindset still bubbles underneath. You don't want to bully the big friendly kid with the speech impediment -- one day he might get angry! People here who let their accusations and threats fly need to get some perspective.

We VoIP aficionados are a small minority who don’t sway Nokia market share one way or another. We may sway industry insiders’ opinions, but only if we keep our comments fair and civilized.

Credit where credit is due: Nokia has put considerable effort into open-standards VoIP and the results outshine those of the competition. Let’s face it, Apple is lukewarm at best about VoIP, the available 3rd-party Jesusphone clients won’t even multitask. RIM had SIP VoIP on one Blackberry, but then abandoned it for operator-monopolistic UMA. Microsoft has passable VoIP support in Windows Mobile 6+, but its licensees routinely leave it out from their products. Yes, Nokia has problems executing (the N97 VoIP MIA proves the point) and its customer communication often makes things worse, but the VoIP-friendly mindset still bubbles underneath.

You don’t want to bully the big friendly kid with the speech impediment — one day he might get angry!

]]> By: blega http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-13074 blega Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:52:02 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-13074 nokia does it again! the new upcoming n900 seems not to have voip capability or sip client out of the picture as it's not mentioned in the technical specs of the phone. it has no integrated gps either. these are the two things that's keeping me as an avid buyer of nokia phones. without these, i don't consider smartphones smart phones. now it's time to look to the other direction and find a smartphone other than nokia that will satisfy my craving for these two features of smartphones. nokia does it again! the new upcoming n900 seems not to have voip capability or sip client out of the picture as it’s not mentioned in the technical specs of the phone. it has no integrated gps either. these are the two things that’s keeping me as an avid buyer of nokia phones. without these, i don’t consider smartphones smart phones. now it’s time to look to the other direction and find a smartphone other than nokia that will satisfy my craving for these two features of smartphones.

]]> By: Enrico http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-10948 Enrico Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:34:34 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-10948 Just had a friend with his newly purchased E55. Of course there is no NOKIA SIP CLIENT a feature that should be BASIC in a business phone. He promptly called the Nokia Store (he was in a hurry and bought online) and asked where is the SIP profiler... and the answer was that NOKIA REMOVED ALL SIP CLIENTS from current and future phones. So to have Sip he's supposed to download a crappy proprietary client that sucks battery and is incompatible with any generic SIP provider... including HIS since there is just 3 of them. Very good move on part of nokia. It looks they will be succesfully promoting the adoption of iPhones and Android for the forthcoming years. Just had a friend with his newly purchased E55. Of course there is no NOKIA SIP CLIENT a feature that should be BASIC in a business phone.

He promptly called the Nokia Store (he was in a hurry and bought online) and asked where is the SIP profiler… and the answer was that NOKIA REMOVED ALL SIP CLIENTS from current and future phones. So to have Sip he’s supposed to download a crappy proprietary client that sucks battery and is incompatible with any generic SIP provider… including HIS since there is just 3 of them.

Very good move on part of nokia. It looks they will be succesfully promoting the adoption of iPhones and Android for the forthcoming years.

]]> By: Miki http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-10392 Miki Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:18:04 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-10392 It has been a year since Charlie's original (yet wrong) analogy of the situation. There has not been a single SIP client created so far that will let me use my own server to make calls. Nokia should chop the head of who ever made this decision. I will curse him/her everytime I make a SIP call and that is more than 10 times a day! It has been a year since Charlie’s original (yet wrong) analogy of the situation. There has not been a single SIP client created so far that will let me use my own server to make calls.

Nokia should chop the head of who ever made this decision. I will curse him/her everytime I make a SIP call and that is more than 10 times a day!

]]> By: Ralf http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-9981 Ralf Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:41:20 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-9981 I had a conversation about this with the German Nokia Support. The guy on the phone admitted, that they removed the client due to pressure from the network carriers, but they obviously didn't want to make an official statment about this. However, he said that Nokia is listening to their customers - which is a good thing. So I can only urge you guys to sign this petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/s60v5sip/petition.html Another inquiry at Nokia USA yielded, that Nokia is in fact "planning" to release the SIP client on the N97 in H2/2009. Don't know why I got 2 crontradicting responses. Either way I think it would be great if we could get as many signatures as possible. Please share the link! I had a conversation about this with the German Nokia Support. The guy on the phone admitted, that they removed the client due to pressure from the network carriers, but they obviously didn’t want to make an official statment about this. However, he said that Nokia is listening to their customers – which is a good thing. So I can only urge you guys to sign this petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/s60v5sip/petition.html

Another inquiry at Nokia USA yielded, that Nokia is in fact “planning” to release the SIP client on the N97 in H2/2009. Don’t know why I got 2 crontradicting responses. Either way I think it would be great if we could get as many signatures as possible. Please share the link!

]]> By: Ralf http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-8668 Ralf Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:32:57 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-8668 I also need an upgrade for my N95 and NOT a downgrade. Why did Nokia remove this awesome feature? Did anyone of you guys contact their customer support about this? What did they say? Are they going to bring it back? Fring is not an adequate replacement as several people here pointed out. Do Windows and Android phones include a native SIP client? Resp. are there applications that don’t tunnel the data through another provider and integrate well? I also need an upgrade for my N95 and NOT a downgrade. Why did Nokia remove this awesome feature? Did anyone of you guys contact their customer support about this? What did they say? Are they going to bring it back? Fring is not an adequate replacement as several people here pointed out.

Do Windows and Android phones include a native SIP client? Resp. are there applications that don’t tunnel the data through another provider and integrate well?

]]> By: Ayala http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-8003 Ayala Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:53:46 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-8003 I was going to buy a nice new N97 before I came across this. But like another poster said, if no Internet Call app then I'm not buying. Symbian OS is bleeding market share to iPhone and BlackBerry, a prime reason being silly decisions to remove of sharp, innovative features like this one. Nokia managed to build a significant market share over the years by listening to their consumers. Since they don't believe in listening any more, I wouldn't be surprised if their smartphone share drops from 40% to 20% within 2 years. Charlie, you have been going back and forth with the product team for a year now and have nothing to show for your efforts. There seems to be a general doubt over your ability to make things happen, so could you please invite a product person to join this thread so we can communicate directly with him or her? And please don't hide behind strategy because there is no way a company like Nokia would want to bleed smartphone share at this rate given the potential of mobile apps. I was going to buy a nice new N97 before I came across this. But like another poster said, if no Internet Call app then I’m not buying.

Symbian OS is bleeding market share to iPhone and BlackBerry, a prime reason being silly decisions to remove of sharp, innovative features like this one. Nokia managed to build a significant market share over the years by listening to their consumers. Since they don’t believe in listening any more, I wouldn’t be surprised if their smartphone share drops from 40% to 20% within 2 years.

Charlie, you have been going back and forth with the product team for a year now and have nothing to show for your efforts. There seems to be a general doubt over your ability to make things happen, so could you please invite a product person to join this thread so we can communicate directly with him or her? And please don’t hide behind strategy because there is no way a company like Nokia would want to bleed smartphone share at this rate given the potential of mobile apps.

]]> By: Navio http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/comment-page-1/#comment-7259 Navio Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:10:41 +0000 http://conversations.nokia.com/?p=365#comment-7259 I am a owner of N97. I disagree with the choice made by nokia. It is believed that a new phone should improve earlier. the lack of internet phone made as in N95, E51, E61, E66, etc is terrific. I am a owner of N97.
I disagree with the choice made by nokia.
It is believed that a new phone should improve earlier. the lack of internet phone made as in N95, E51, E61, E66, etc is terrific.

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