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	<title>Comments on: Indoor positioning and more info on Nokia Locate Sensor</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Thanks for your comment.

The way the system works;

Firstly there is no automatic detection of indoor location in the manner of outdoor gps location. There are various reasons for this;

gps doesnt work indoors

research is underway worldwide in using Wi Fi, Bluetooth and other systems for automatic indoor location detection but theres still work to be done here.

Some companies (Nokia for example) are experimenting with a system using Wi Fi indoors. 

I have chosen not to use this technology - mainly due to not having the expertise but also as I want my app to work in any indoor environment withouit the need for an onboard Wi Fi system.

So my app has a map onboard and the user finds his current location by simply standing next to a given marker and entering the marker id. the app then knows where on the map the marker is and places the user there.

So I dont think its what you are looking for but feel free to ask if you have other issues.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>The way the system works;</p>
<p>Firstly there is no automatic detection of indoor location in the manner of outdoor gps location. There are various reasons for this;</p>
<p>gps doesnt work indoors</p>
<p>research is underway worldwide in using Wi Fi, Bluetooth and other systems for automatic indoor location detection but theres still work to be done here.</p>
<p>Some companies (Nokia for example) are experimenting with a system using Wi Fi indoors. </p>
<p>I have chosen not to use this technology &#8211; mainly due to not having the expertise but also as I want my app to work in any indoor environment withouit the need for an onboard Wi Fi system.</p>
<p>So my app has a map onboard and the user finds his current location by simply standing next to a given marker and entering the marker id. the app then knows where on the map the marker is and places the user there.</p>
<p>So I dont think its what you are looking for but feel free to ask if you have other issues.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Anders Isvén</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Isvén</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know if these LBS systems can be used to position vehicles in subway tunnels or in mines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know if these LBS systems can be used to position vehicles in subway tunnels or in mines?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/01/19/indoor-positioning-and-more-info-on-nokia-locate-sensor/comment-page-1/#comment-9158</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I  have done a fair amount of research into indoor LBS and have spent the past 2 years developing an indoor LBS app which runs on mobile phones. This is just a hobby for me so progress is slow and I have worked alone up till now. 

I REALLY think that indoor LBS and personal navigation is the thing of the future and will be very big once all the technological challenges have been overcome - and they WILL be overcome.

When I started my research no one appeared to be working on the topic. Now it seems they are catching up. I must admit though to being dissapointed with the app which Nokia are trialing at Kamppi. The graphics are impossible to read and the navigation, in my opinion, could be improved (onscreen navigation not map navigation). 

I have tried to make my app operate on the mobile without any external connection but when I add advertising options the drain on mobile cpu becomes expensive so am switching to a mobi-based app. 

I have also added a routefinder code to the app but this brings on board challenges related to map orientation relative to the surrounding mall. These challenges of course are not there if WiFi automatic location is used as I am sure this can automatically orient the on-screen image correctly.

Its great to have automatic location identification using WiFi but this can be expensive in some cases. Also it means that the app can only be installed in buildings having sufficient WiFi coverage. 

I would like to add WiFi location sensing to my app but do not have the resources nor the know-how. So I use a kind of simple manual location identification. The beauty of this is that my app could be built and installed in any building since there is no need to install or have WiFi. 

I am currently experiementing with adding landmark identification to the routefinder code as my research shows that for indoor wayfinding people rely on the identification of landmarks within the building.

I still have many challenges to face and overcome but I know I will get there. In the meantime I am enjoying the journey.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I  have done a fair amount of research into indoor LBS and have spent the past 2 years developing an indoor LBS app which runs on mobile phones. This is just a hobby for me so progress is slow and I have worked alone up till now. </p>
<p>I REALLY think that indoor LBS and personal navigation is the thing of the future and will be very big once all the technological challenges have been overcome &#8211; and they WILL be overcome.</p>
<p>When I started my research no one appeared to be working on the topic. Now it seems they are catching up. I must admit though to being dissapointed with the app which Nokia are trialing at Kamppi. The graphics are impossible to read and the navigation, in my opinion, could be improved (onscreen navigation not map navigation). </p>
<p>I have tried to make my app operate on the mobile without any external connection but when I add advertising options the drain on mobile cpu becomes expensive so am switching to a mobi-based app. </p>
<p>I have also added a routefinder code to the app but this brings on board challenges related to map orientation relative to the surrounding mall. These challenges of course are not there if WiFi automatic location is used as I am sure this can automatically orient the on-screen image correctly.</p>
<p>Its great to have automatic location identification using WiFi but this can be expensive in some cases. Also it means that the app can only be installed in buildings having sufficient WiFi coverage. </p>
<p>I would like to add WiFi location sensing to my app but do not have the resources nor the know-how. So I use a kind of simple manual location identification. The beauty of this is that my app could be built and installed in any building since there is no need to install or have WiFi. </p>
<p>I am currently experiementing with adding landmark identification to the routefinder code as my research shows that for indoor wayfinding people rely on the identification of landmarks within the building.</p>
<p>I still have many challenges to face and overcome but I know I will get there. In the meantime I am enjoying the journey.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 06:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Thanks for directing me to NokoScope , I&#039;ve written a small review of the same based on available information at

&lt;a href=&quot;http://senseapplied.com/index.php/nokoscope-by-nokia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://senseapplied.com/index.php/nokoscope-by-nokia/&lt;/a&gt;

Regards

Farhan
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Thanks for directing me to NokoScope , I&#8217;ve written a small review of the same based on available information at</p>
<p><a href="http://senseapplied.com/index.php/nokoscope-by-nokia/" rel="nofollow">http://senseapplied.com/index.php/nokoscope-by-nokia/</a></p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Farhan</p>
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