Nokia 808 PureView: Carl Zeiss science of making the perfect lens

In the second of her two-part series, Karen Bartlett discovers how Carl Zeiss cameras provide Nokia with the highest quality lenses

Published by Karen Bartlett on March 5, 2012

                 

Nokia 808 PureView lens

OBERKOCHEN, GERMANY- The size of the Carl Zeiss lens for the new Nokia  808 PureView is smaller than a sugar cube,  and the lens for a Nokia Lumia 800 is only slightly bigger than a pin – but both produce images as sharp as a ZEISS lens used on a professional photographic camera.

Dr Hubert  Nasse is the Senior Scientist at Carl Zeiss Camera Lens Division, and tests lenses rigorously in the ZEISS labs. He loves lenses.

“I spend my working life testing lenses to the very highest scientific standards,” he says. “And of course that is how you accurately judge that a lens meets ZEISS specifications. But there is more to a lens than that – when you work with lenses every day, you appreciate their true craftsmanship. A ZEISS lens even has a certain smell – to me it smells professional.”

Zeiss lens test

Nasse fits the lens from a Nokia Lumia in the Carl Zeiss K8 measuring machine – which takes up most of the side of one room. He makes a few adjustments and the meters shoot up. 

Then he fits a professional lens in the machine and adjusts the parameters,

“Now watch these meters,” The three meters, which measure different sharpness parameters, shoot up to over 90% over 80% and over 70%. The higher the number, the sharper the lens. This time the professional lens has registered as lower than for the Lumia lens.

Nasse sits back with satisfaction: “That’s how good these lenses for mobile phones are.”

So how can two lenses that appear so different produce the same image quality?

“The formal optical parameters are about the same,” Nasse says, but there are key differences.   

Hubert Nasse

This comparison between the absolute performance of a 2/50mm photographic lens for full-frame (24x36mm) sensors and a 2.4/8mm lens for a mobile phone shows that the lens for the mobile phone is sharper. However, an image taken with the big lens is better overall because the information is not compressed on such a small image area as it is on a mobile phone sensor.

Traditional camera lenses are made from a piece of glass called a ‘blank’, and then polished with a computer controlled precision tool. Lenses used in mobile phones are made from plastic and pressed in a mold.

“The only reason you can’t make a larger camera lens from plastic is the physical size. A larger plastic surface area expands and shrinks too much at different temperatures, but that doesn’t apply on a lens as small as one fitted in a mobile phone.”

Plastic gives mobile phone lenses one distinct advantage – a dimple. 

Christian Bannert, the head of R&D at Carl Zeiss Camera Lens Division draws some diagrams on the whiteboard: “Glass can only be made in spherical shapes and to a certain extent pressed or polished to aspherical shape, but there are big problems with the way that it refracts light as soon as it comes to compact wide angle lenses like in camera phones,” Extreme aspheric lenses – that seem dimpled – are much better at refracting light in this case. 

Zeiss lenses

Back in the lab Hubert Nasse explains the other ways that camera lens and mobile lenses vary:  “There are two main differences – the size of the sensor, and the distance between the sensor and the surface of the lens. In mobile phone optics the sensor is much closer to the lens.”

While phone designers want phones that are sleek and slim, optics designers crave space: “You need some volume, optical designers always want more space…making a lens  in a narrow space is highly demanding.”

The Research and Development Project Manager for Mobile Phones, Oliver Schindelbeck, is watching the lens test. He agrees: “The struggle of the past years is making cameras smaller and smaller, but getting more megapixels and increasing the image quality.”

Decreasing the size of the camera and lens increases the sensitivity of the system, and makes production more challenging:

“We’ve made tremendous progress…now we have really good image quality with cameras below 7mm in height and that’s impressive.” 

Zeiss Lumia lenses

Schindelbeck has worked on some notable milestones in the partnership between Nokia and Carl Zeiss:

“The first model we made with Nokia was the N90, and it was crucial in breaking the 2 megapixels mark. For Carl Zeiss this is the minimum sensor resolution in order to transport good Carl Zeiss image quality. Below that the resolution is too low to have benefits from a high quality lens” 

As for the Nokia N8. Well, this is team that still goes into raptures over making the lens for the N8.

If there is one misunderstanding that they are all desperate to dispel, it is the myth of the megapixel. Fewer than 2 megapixels really affects image quality, but bigger than that is not necessarily better. Paper prints or PC-displays usually do not need a much higher resolution.

“Reducing the performance of a camera down to one number does not give you a true reflection of a camera,” says Oliver Schindelbeck. “It is wrong to say 8 megapixels are better than 5 megapixels. That tells you nothing about colour shading, or noise reduction – or any of the other things that really matter.” Human eyesight doesn’t focus just on resolution, he adds – it’s much more.

Nokia Lumia lens

The team at Carl Zeiss works with Nokia to design and develop the lens, and then oversees the manufacturing process – monitoring the accuracy of the machines that make them and the final lenses in each type of phone. Strict accuracy is essential.

“We work together with Nokia from the first idea; we look at optical design, calculating the lens system, discussing the limits of lens itself and the specifications for quality. Then we qualify the suppliers to make sure they meet our necessary standards. We test the quality robustness and image processing of the first prototype – and then we test the final prototype and do any fine tuning.”

This is a team who take the Carl Zeiss brand seriously – at some points in the afternoon they try out their Nokia Lumia phones under the table, explaining that they take lots of images to see how they perform in low light and real life situations.

Oliver Schindelbeck says that it’s no secret that there are manufacturers all over the world who can cut and polish a lens, or make a component, but: “It’s only when we’ve taken all of those steps, and ensured our standard of quality at every stage of the process, that we are happy to say – this is a Carl Zeiss lens.” 

Heavy lens lifting

Back in the lab Hubert Nasse demonstrates what making a perfect Carl Zeiss lens means when he hefts a large cinematography lens off the table. The walls of the corridor are lined with posters of famous films shot with this very piece of equipment – including Lord of the Rings, and The King’s Speech. He points out the cold feel of the aluminium body, the weight, and the deep engravings that mean measurements can be read almost in the dark. Next to it he holds up a Nokia PureView 808 lens – the size of a sugar cube. “It’s the knowledge transfer between these two lenses,” he sighs “Perfect synergy.”  

In case you missed it, here’s Part One.

What Kim Kardashian has in common with the Nokia 808 PureView

Photographs by Ian Dewsbury

Comments

  • Anonymous

    I always wondered if anyone ever used flexible glass for lenses so it’s shape can be altered when in use.

  • Anonymous

    I always wondered if anyone ever used flexible glass for lenses so it’s shape can be altered when in use.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Scott/100002401159073 James Scott

    The Carl Zeiss lens is the main reason I chose the N8 for my first smart phone.

    • https://plus.google.com/100341644393866794655 Skarky

       Also the main reason why I chose the X6 for my first smartphone. :)

    • https://plus.google.com/100341644393866794655 Skarky

       Also the main reason why I chose the X6 for my first smartphone. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Scott/100002401159073 James Scott

    The Carl Zeiss lens is the main reason I chose the N8 for my first smart phone.

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  • http://gowindowsgo.com Sam Sabri

    Can’t wait to see some of that PureView tech in a Windows Phone device!

    • Anonymous

      Hopefully then with USB support, USB-OTG, Bluetooth File transfer, Multitasking, Filemanager and a modern email client! 

      And by the way, I learned to hate zune! I hope they will give us the choice if we want to use the microsoft cloud, other stuff like dropbox or if we want to keep all our data local. 

      If not I will still prefer the Nokia 808 and will wait until Nokia itself is able to deliver a proper successor or I will look what the cheap asian companies are able to deliver in some years. 

      Windows Phone? Never again!

    • Anonymous

      Hopefully then with USB support, USB-OTG, Bluetooth File transfer, Multitasking, Filemanager and a modern email client! 

      And by the way, I learned to hate zune! I hope they will give us the choice if we want to use the microsoft cloud, other stuff like dropbox or if we want to keep all our data local. 

      If not I will still prefer the Nokia 808 and will wait until Nokia itself is able to deliver a proper successor or I will look what the cheap asian companies are able to deliver in some years. 

      Windows Phone? Never again!

      • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

        I see your experience on a Nokia WP7 was as frustrating as mine was with a horrible Lumia 800!  Hands down the worse phone I’ve ever bought.  Never again.

        • Anonymous

          Do you cut and paste that? Do you get the same amount per post then?

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

          • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

             Please elaborate on your comment above. 

        • Rex Reyes III

           sounds like FUD to me…

          • Anonymous

            I have a Lumia 800 at home. You have the choice. Belief me, and all the “FUD” you’re able to see all over the web or buy yourself a Windows Phone with your own money and realize yourself how well the constrained Microsoft Cloud Services works for you.

            It depends on your own IT understanding. If you are currently using a 5 or 6 years old Series 40 mobile there is a chance you could like the Lumia series. In the other case don’t cry afterwards. You were warned!

      • http://twitter.com/Occams_Cat Rod Fountain

        I see your experience on a Nokia WP7 was as frustrating as mine was with a horrible Lumia 800!  Hands down the worse phone I’ve ever bought.  Never again.

  • Anonymous

    “You need some volume, optical designers always want more space…making a lens  in a narrow space is highly demanding.”

    More moving images drive cost, but is there anything else in the construction of the PureView that prevented a collapsible lens arrangement?

  • Anonymous

    “You need some volume, optical designers always want more space…making a lens  in a narrow space is highly demanding.”

    More moving images drive cost, but is there anything else in the construction of the PureView that prevented a collapsible lens arrangement?

    • Damian Dinning

      The only ‘space’ in the module used in the 808 PureView is used for autofocus. There has to be room for the lens to move back and forth for autofocus. We spent a huge amount of time making the module as compact as possible whilst keeping an extremely close eye always on performance.

      • Anonymous

        now we haave a camera without optical zoom, just true zoom…

        what about a camera without autofocus? just true focus… or PURE FOCUS?
        Good job guys…. again!

        • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

          Well, time will show what will come…

          • Anonymous

            i’m very happy to read that!!!

      • Anonymous

        Thank you Damian. No doubt, as you can see from the amount of commentary you’ve rececived all over the internet, you’ve created a breakthrough product. OK, so it’s space and, I assume, cost, that drives the design. I could imagine future PureView systems using other types of lenses e.g. collapsible or interchangeable. I could for example see a rotary arrangement with various types of lenses that could be dialled in. Could those bring any advantage to an already extremely impressive product? Or is it so, that this product is optimising the lens in such a way that even with added bulk no additional benefits could be had?

        • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

          Could those bring any advantage to an already extremely impressive product?
          You can think of many things to improve the quality, but not everything is reasonable or feasible here. But we promise that we will not stop here.

          Or is it so, that this product is optimising the lens in such a way that even with added bulk no additional benefits could be had?
          Giving more size to a lens almost always offers the possibility to improve the image quality. But for mobile phones we are not free to add too much thickness to the camera. The phone-market is largely driven by the thick/thinness of the devices. The Nokia 808 is an exception to this rule.

          • Anonymous

            I understand and I agree thinness is attractive. However consumers, me included, may be willing to make different trade offs when new possibilities, such as the PureView, appears. As you say, there will be exceptions to the rule.

            You know I could foresee exchangeable modules, as in the Ricoh GXR, where one could have a “lens kit” system, where lens and the optics are integrated, but exchangeable as a  package. This would also provide a nice upgrade path, and keep customers buying additional stuff for their phones, or “camera platforms” in addition to providing different types of lenses.

          • Anonymous

            I understand and I agree thinness is attractive. However consumers, me included, may be willing to make different trade offs when new possibilities, such as the PureView, appears. As you say, there will be exceptions to the rule.

            You know I could foresee exchangeable modules, as in the Ricoh GXR, where one could have a “lens kit” system, where lens and the optics are integrated, but exchangeable as a  package. This would also provide a nice upgrade path, and keep customers buying additional stuff for their phones, or “camera platforms” in addition to providing different types of lenses.

          • Anonymous

            I understand and I agree thinness is attractive. However consumers, me included, may be willing to make different trade offs when new possibilities, such as the PureView, appears. As you say, there will be exceptions to the rule.

            You know I could foresee exchangeable modules, as in the Ricoh GXR, where one could have a “lens kit” system, where lens and the optics are integrated, but exchangeable as a  package. This would also provide a nice upgrade path, and keep customers buying additional stuff for their phones, or “camera platforms” in addition to providing different types of lenses.

        • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

          Could those bring any advantage to an already extremely impressive product?
          You can think of many things to improve the quality, but not everything is reasonable or feasible here. But we promise that we will not stop here.

          Or is it so, that this product is optimising the lens in such a way that even with added bulk no additional benefits could be had?
          Giving more size to a lens almost always offers the possibility to improve the image quality. But for mobile phones we are not free to add too much thickness to the camera. The phone-market is largely driven by the thick/thinness of the devices. The Nokia 808 is an exception to this rule.

    • Damian Dinning

      The only ‘space’ in the module used in the 808 PureView is used for autofocus. There has to be room for the lens to move back and forth for autofocus. We spent a huge amount of time making the module as compact as possible whilst keeping an extremely close eye always on performance.

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      The major argument against it is the robustness. Mobile phones drop, are carried in pockets or handbags. They are treated in a way you usually would never treat a dedicated camera.

      • Anonymous

         Indeed. With exchangeable one cubic centimeter camera and sensor units, one could however “mend” a broken lens/sensor by replacing it. That is, if the phone survived the fall.

        Regardless, I could SO imagine having a lens kit bag the size of a match box, with various kit lenses inside. Talk about the ultimate travel camera! The possibilities for product extension and development are almost endless!

      • Anonymous

         Indeed. With exchangeable one cubic centimeter camera and sensor units, one could however “mend” a broken lens/sensor by replacing it. That is, if the phone survived the fall.

        Regardless, I could SO imagine having a lens kit bag the size of a match box, with various kit lenses inside. Talk about the ultimate travel camera! The possibilities for product extension and development are almost endless!

      • Anonymous

         Indeed. With exchangeable one cubic centimeter camera and sensor units, one could however “mend” a broken lens/sensor by replacing it. That is, if the phone survived the fall.

        Regardless, I could SO imagine having a lens kit bag the size of a match box, with various kit lenses inside. Talk about the ultimate travel camera! The possibilities for product extension and development are almost endless!

      • Anonymous

         Indeed. With exchangeable one cubic centimeter camera and sensor units, one could however “mend” a broken lens/sensor by replacing it. That is, if the phone survived the fall.

        Regardless, I could SO imagine having a lens kit bag the size of a match box, with various kit lenses inside. Talk about the ultimate travel camera! The possibilities for product extension and development are almost endless!

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      The major argument against it is the robustness. Mobile phones drop, are carried in pockets or handbags. They are treated in a way you usually would never treat a dedicated camera.

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      The major argument against it is the robustness. Mobile phones drop, are carried in pockets or handbags. They are treated in a way you usually would never treat a dedicated camera.

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  • http://twitter.com/MikiGuru001 Henrygee

    All this stuffz i wonder most times there origin. this is amazing.

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  • http://www.intomobile.com/ Stefan Constantinescu

    So all that effort to make a perfect lens, yet the PureView 808 doesn’t have a lens cover?

    • http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen

      Lens protector is available separately: http://nokia.ly/wNMwqG

      • Anonymous

        Oh no! That’s a joke, isn’t it? :-o

        I would prefer a slider which starts the camera application as soon as you opened the slider. Nokia has created this ages ago. Why creating now the best camera phone and don’t use this technology?

        If you make the backcover interchangeable you could realize this with a sensor like at your N900, without electric parts. It shouldn’t be to hard to detecht which backcover is used. 

        A simple, $5 plastic solution and a simple sensor hat your device.

        • Anonymous

          sliders can impede the light getting to the lens

          • Anonymous

            Why should a pice of plastic, as soon as slided to the side, impede the light in any wise?
            Have you any kind of technically background or do you write this only because of marketing reasons?

            Yes, if you put some shining, mirroring material directly near the lense like at the N900, then it interferes. But why should Nokia make this mistake twice without need?

            If you don’t put a lense cover on it you have fatty fingerprints, dust and in the worst case scratches on the lense. And to be clear, I’m absolutly sure, this impede the light a lot more compared to a plastic cover 2 cm beside the lense!

          • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

            Yes, if you put some shining, mirroring material directly near the lense like at the N900, then it interferes. But why should Nokia make this mistake twice without need?
            Feel free to send us some example images and we will try to respond.

          • http://www.facebook.com/vasil.cokov Vasil Cokov

            Well guys you should know that it has a lense cover inside the optics itself. I don’t see why they should put one over the window on the back cover… The idea is to protect the sensor from direct sun light, and they have done that.

    • http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen

      Lens protector is available separately: http://nokia.ly/wNMwqG

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      Lens cover is a difficult decision. As you might know several Nokia devices of the past had lens covers. They have the advantage of mechanical protection, but also some disadvantages. The cover might scratch the cover glass. The lens cover is never dust proof, therefore you still need to clean the cover glass, which is much more difficult with a lens cover. Lens covers make the handset thicker.
      Taking all this into consideration we feel that having no lens cover is the better solution.

    • http://www.facebook.com/vasil.cokov Vasil Cokov

      It actually has one. As well as a filter. It’s in the camera block itself and it’s all automatically controlled by the phone’s software. If you have one look at the camera when you start the app and you’ll see the cover opening over the lense. In a sunny day you can see the filter move over and away from the lense when you tilt the phone from lighter to darker scenes. However my 808 seems to distort the image badly near the edges of the pictures. It looks a little bit like fisheye lense effect.

  • http://www.intomobile.com/ Stefan Constantinescu

    So all that effort to make a perfect lens, yet the PureView 808 doesn’t have a lens cover?

  • http://www.intomobile.com/ Stefan Constantinescu

    So all that effort to make a perfect lens, yet the PureView 808 doesn’t have a lens cover?

  • Rex Reyes III

    I suspect all these are protected via Patents? :) (too exposed imho hehe)

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      Yes, as far as it touches intellectual property of Carl Zeiss or Nokia.

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  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

  • Habib Ullah Manjotha

    wonderful! Thanks Nokia!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-De-Bruyne/100000569635268 Malcolm De Bruyne

    “This time the professional lens has registered as lower than for the Lumia lens.”It is meaningless and quite silly to compare the lines per mm resolution of small lenses to larger format lenses, the cheapest smartphone lenses will easily beat very expensive large format lenses.

    What i would like to know is how the optical design of the pureview 808 lens compares to high quality 6+ element multi group designs used on professional camera’s.
    If the exact same lens design could be made larger in proportion to a 36x24mm sensor how would it compare to the existing high quality prime lenses? Can a 5 element single group lens with all aspherical surfaces beat a 6+ element multi group lens made with mainly normal spherical surfaces?

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      What i would like to know is how the optical design of the pureview 808 lens compares to high quality 6+ element multi group designs used on professional camera’s.
      The design is based on the usage of plastic material allowing to design extreme aspherical lenses. In terms of resolution measured in linepairs per mm it is better than the professional camera lens. But this is also caused by the much shorter focal length at the same field angle. Due to the much larger image size the professional camera image is still better.

      If the exact same lens design could be made larger in proportion to a 36x24mm sensor how would it compare to the existing high quality prime lenses?
      As plastic cannot be used for lenses of this size it cannot be upscaled. Aspheres of this shape made in glass would not be affordable. But assumed these limitations would not exist, the upscaling would result in a lens which has 2.5 times higher resolution than good real lenses for the larger format. However, usually upscaling a design has some loss factors, so that the total performance does not grow proportional to the size.

      Can a 5 element single group lens with all aspherical surfaces beat a 6+ element multi group lens made with mainly normal spherical surfaces?
      In principle yes. This might be surprising for the non-expert. But to a great deal it is simply caused by the much shorter focal length of the phone lens. Still it also shows, how well made these miniature optics are. Glass optics of similar focal length are also made by Carl Zeiss for microscopes, and they have an even higher performance.

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      What i would like to know is how the optical design of the pureview 808 lens compares to high quality 6+ element multi group designs used on professional camera’s.
      The design is based on the usage of plastic material allowing to design extreme aspherical lenses. In terms of resolution measured in linepairs per mm it is better than the professional camera lens. But this is also caused by the much shorter focal length at the same field angle. Due to the much larger image size the professional camera image is still better.

      If the exact same lens design could be made larger in proportion to a 36x24mm sensor how would it compare to the existing high quality prime lenses?
      As plastic cannot be used for lenses of this size it cannot be upscaled. Aspheres of this shape made in glass would not be affordable. But assumed these limitations would not exist, the upscaling would result in a lens which has 2.5 times higher resolution than good real lenses for the larger format. However, usually upscaling a design has some loss factors, so that the total performance does not grow proportional to the size.

      Can a 5 element single group lens with all aspherical surfaces beat a 6+ element multi group lens made with mainly normal spherical surfaces?
      In principle yes. This might be surprising for the non-expert. But to a great deal it is simply caused by the much shorter focal length of the phone lens. Still it also shows, how well made these miniature optics are. Glass optics of similar focal length are also made by Carl Zeiss for microscopes, and they have an even higher performance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-De-Bruyne/100000569635268 Malcolm De Bruyne

    “This time the professional lens has registered as lower than for the Lumia lens.”It is meaningless and quite silly to compare the lines per mm resolution of small lenses to larger format lenses, the cheapest smartphone lenses will easily beat very expensive large format lenses.

    What i would like to know is how the optical design of the pureview 808 lens compares to high quality 6+ element multi group designs used on professional camera’s.
    If the exact same lens design could be made larger in proportion to a 36x24mm sensor how would it compare to the existing high quality prime lenses? Can a 5 element single group lens with all aspherical surfaces beat a 6+ element multi group lens made with mainly normal spherical surfaces?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malcolm-De-Bruyne/100000569635268 Malcolm De Bruyne

    The reason i think this is important is because a miniaturized version of traditional high quality lenses made for the 808 sensor would produce a much lower image resolution than they do in their 36x24mm size and therefore would be inadequate to really take advantage of the 41mp sensor resolution. I am hoping these new all aspherical lens designs have much higher potential.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000378966743 Tim Burg

    What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?  (stress induced birefringence?).Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?
      The thermal expansion of plastic is 10 to 100 times higher compared to glass. The bigger the lenses are the more it influences optical quality. But it is not possible to define a size, it is always a trade-off.

      stress induced birefringence:
      Plastic lenses need a completely different assembly and mounting technology to avoid such effects.

      Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?
      Yes. The AR multilayer coatings are usually applied in low temperature vacuum deposition chambers/machines

      Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?
      There are different plastic materials with different refractive indices and dispersion. But unfortunately the variety is not as big as with glass.

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?
      The thermal expansion of plastic is 10 to 100 times higher compared to glass. The bigger the lenses are the more it influences optical quality. But it is not possible to define a size, it is always a trade-off.

      stress induced birefringence:
      Plastic lenses need a completely different assembly and mounting technology to avoid such effects.

      Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?
      Yes. The AR multilayer coatings are usually applied in low temperature vacuum deposition chambers/machines

      Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?
      There are different plastic materials with different refractive indices and dispersion. But unfortunately the variety is not as big as with glass.

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

      What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?
      The thermal expansion of plastic is 10 to 100 times higher compared to glass. The bigger the lenses are the more it influences optical quality. But it is not possible to define a size, it is always a trade-off.

      stress induced birefringence:
      Plastic lenses need a completely different assembly and mounting technology to avoid such effects.

      Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?
      Yes. The AR multilayer coatings are usually applied in low temperature vacuum deposition chambers/machines

      Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?
      There are different plastic materials with different refractive indices and dispersion. But unfortunately the variety is not as big as with glass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000378966743 Tim Burg

    What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?  (stress induced birefringence?).Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000378966743 Tim Burg

    What is the limiting factor when upscaling plastic lenses?  (stress induced birefringence?).Does this lens have an anti-reflective coating and how is it applied?Also are there plastics with anomalous dispersion to correct for normal dispersion?

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  • Anonymous

    brilliant stuff. Utmost respect to the good Dr Nasse!

  • Anonymous

    brilliant stuff. Utmost respect to the good Dr Nasse!

    • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

       Thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Faisal-Noor/693045246 Faisal Noor

    how do i remove the super glue off my nokia camera lens?help needed…

  • http://twitter.com/CarlZeissLenses Carl Zeiss Lens Team

    We hope we could answer your questions, in case you have further questions let us know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JH2T6YU5VYKOJXVGW4FFYMHIGE mohdammed

    can you please advise which type of lenses are used for mobile phones.. (CCD, CMOS, ACP,…..)…

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1788167527 Omera Edres

    wow!

  • Samarth Singh

    Carl Zeiss Team: Guys, I’m very happy with my 808 Pureview. Earlier I had the Nokia N8, so you must have guessed that I’m the kind of customer who loves mobiles with great cameras and good music quality.

    But I wish to ask something: I know it has a lossless digital zoom setup when using Pureview modes.

    But, can you guys (please?) develop an external AFOCAL zoom lens for 808 Pureview or N8?

    I don’t think its a big problem as long as the new lens fits in closely with the phone on attaching it. I would purchase such a thing for any cost, because of convenience of having it in my phone.

    • http://www.facebook.com/vasil.cokov Vasil Cokov

      me too! By the way i don’t think they need more AF… You already have the AF on the module.But i’d love an external lense kit with one for night shots(bigger lense to collect more light) one for better macro and one for extreeme zoom something like X10 or X20 capability.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vasil.cokov Vasil Cokov

    I am a Nokia fan from back in the 2000… My Nokia 808 does some pretty good pics, but the best Nokia i had was the N86 8MP. That little device made such amazing pictures, that when i posted them next to my DSLR shots, they looked better! If Nokia ever puts the same camera module on a symbian phone with an fm transmitter and large high definition OLED i’m buyng it! By the way i hate windows mobile… the worst operating system ever!