The story behind the Nokia 808 PureView

Nokia imaging guru Damian Dinning on the journey to create industry-changing camera tech

Published by Damian Dinning on March 7, 2012

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GLOBAL – Yes, the Nokia 808 PureView has the largest-ever sensor by a long way shoe-horned into its pocketable dimensions. When people hear the figures, many either find their jaws on the floor in sheer astonishment or struggle to believe it’s possible. After all, this isn’t a digital SLR (that would be astonishing enough) but a smartphone! Something you can carry with you at all times.

I can understand the reactions: even people inside Nokia have reacted similarly.

Despite this, the innovation and news is NOT the number of pixels but rather HOW those pixels are used. 

It’s been incredibly exciting to have been associated with this project from a very early stage. For some of our team, it’s taken over five years to bring this to the market, such is the technological and engineering achievement, so you can perhaps imagine the excitement but also sense of relief some of us are feeling right now.

Given the amount of effort that’s gone into this project, I wanted to share more of the background as well as some more detail around how PureView works. 

PureView - nets

Where it all started

In late 2005, Nokia were in the final phases of preparing the Nokia N73 3Mpix AF and the rather unique N93 3Mpix AF 3x optical zoom smartphones for introduction in the spring of 2006. We’d already been researching alternative directions in the area of imaging and camera development as well as extending the direction both of these products would be soon starting. Roughly a year after their introduction, the N95 and N93i came to market.

Around this time, we were starting the development of a number of next-generation imaging rich smartphones. Commercial products such as the Nokia N82, N86 8MP as well as the extremely popular Nokia N8. But there were many other projects intended to include optical zoom which never made it to the market. A number of these were quite advanced concepts using different camera configurations and physical form factors, some conventional, some significantly different.

PureView - SA shoot

However, over this time, the market was evolving. For example, displays were becoming bigger and bigger. This aspect alone resulted in a number of concepts not being taken forward due to the limited potential screen size of some concepts. Another important factor was how market expectations were evolving in the area of image quality.

For example, at one stage we had working prototypes equipped with optical zoom using folded optics. Despite this almost reaching commercialization, the module was relatively large and we decided the performance would not be fundamentally good enough to meet the evolving expectations.

It became clear to us that if we were ever to meet the increasing expectations and evolving market dynamics we were going to need to find a new direction in imaging.

After developing several optical zoom modules, we were still seeing significant performance trade-offs caused by optical zoom: performance in low light; image sharpness at both ends of the zoom range; audible noise problems; slow zooming speed and lost focus when zooming during video. We became convinced this could never be the great experience we once hoped. You’d need to accept a bigger, more expensive device with poor f no., a small and noisy image sensor and lower optical resolution just to be able to zoom.

PureView - rocks close up

Around this time, the Nokia imaging team had just finished creating a tool called the Camera Simulation Environment. This tool is a virtual environment where we can easily simulate the performance of different types of optics, image sensors and image processing algorithms and see the impact of different technical solutions to the final image quality. It’s an easy and fast way to try new ideas.

Nokia was also leading the market by driving large image sensors into devices and understood how to integrate large image sensors in to small camera modules. The Nokia N73 and N95 were the first mobile products with 1/2.5” sensors and since then we’ve continued to introduce large sensors such as the 1/1.83” sensor in the Nokia N8.

Of course, we understood the need for being able to zoom and frame the shot during video recording. However, compromising image and video quality to achieve the zooming capability was something we were not willing to do. 

PureView in low light

One idea leads to another

One day when a couple of our engineers met over lunch, one of them mentioned how earlier that day he found an article in the Electronics Times on satellite imaging inspiring, specifically how satellite imaging uses extremely high resolution sensors to capture high resolution images.  It was the fact that we typically only ever look at a section of a satellite image that inspired him the most.

An idea emerged from this discussion to use a sensor with somewhat higher resolution sensor than needed at the time but output a lower resolution image than the sensor input resolution possibly adding some upscaling/interpolation to provide a meaningful enough zoom range. This would provide the user with an experience similar to optical zoom. Whilst the performance was thought to be superior to conventional digital zoom as well as result in a far smaller package than optical zoom, it was felt that the performance would still not be up to the standard we were aiming to achieve.

Sometime later after a ten-hour long meeting seeking to solve the technical challenges of optical zooming, a few engineers were sitting in a Tokyo hotel bar. During a lively discussion about how the technical problems of optical zooming could be solved the earlier idea came up again in conversation…. What if we would just add enough pixels to avoid having to upscale the image?

….after some further discussion they concluded that a sufficiently large enough image sensor could create an output image with excellent low light performance, excellent optical performance as well as maintaining a low f no. Instead of trade-offs, there would be significant benefits, especially at the wide range of the zoom. As an additional benefit the file sizes would be small due to low noise whilst the level of detail would be way beyond anything seen before thanks to the pixel oversampling.

PureView - hanging

At full zoom, while pixel oversampling could not be used, optical performance would benefit as only the central optical path would be used, where the performance is always superior due to manufacturing tolerances and light incoming angle. We could therefore keep the same low f no. and achieve performance which is not possible with optical zooming (not even in expensive SLR optics. As a bonus the closest focus distance would remain the same as wide, resulting in greater macro performance!

We would also achieve instant and silent zooming by keeping the focus during zooming which has always been a problem in optical zooms. We would also be able to achieve simpler, smaller and more robust construction for the camera. Eureka! The solution was right there!

That evening the basic idea had been sketched on a bar napkin, but even during ‘the morning after’ it was clear this idea was really worth taking seriously.

PureView - hanging wider

In order to make the camera happen, the largest and highest resolution image sensor in mobile devices would need to be created. Simulations showed that we would need new solutions and materials in the optics to be able to achieve great optical performance in a small enough package. Manufacturing tolerances, materials and surface accuracy used in SLRs, pocket cameras or mobile cameras would not be enough to make it work. Working closely with Carl Zeiss, we analysed different optical solutions, materials and manufacturing technologies, searching the world for image sensor technologies and companies willing to take on the challenge.

We had often debated that, for the vast majority, 5-megapixels completely fulfils their real world needs, but the market for many years has been pixels, pixels, pixels. It’s hard to block that out. Our friends at Carl Zeiss believed the same. At the time, the challenge was like Columbus trying to convince people the world was round and not flat.

Shaping the sensor

At this time, the sensor was supporting the conventional 4:3 aspect ratio. 4:3 aspect ratios were the norm but we could see the future was 16:9. The challenge was how to support 4:3 and 16:9. This part of the story I remember well as I was in the meeting when we brainstormed this part of the module design.

People from Nokia were in the meeting, of course, but also our friends from the companies we work with often on our high-end optics and sensors. The atmosphere was relaxed but I had a feeling that some of our optics and sensor suppliers thought we were perhaps crazy. Nevertheless, they were still putting 100% into the project. We were really pushing the boundaries of optical design at this point clearly going where no one had dared before.

In this meeting we created the idea to use the 13:9 sensor based around the optical circle to fully support both 16:9 and 4:3. Of course, since then we have been incorporating this into the new modules for example in the N9, Lumia 800 and 900. But to maintain the same effective zoom range someone quickly pointed out we were going to have to increase the size of the sensor even further… and that’s how we ended up with 41-megapixels.

PureView - ultimate zoom

A few months later, in October 2008, the initial prototyping had been done. There was enough evidence now to show this was possible, although we knew there were going to be lots of challenges ahead of us.

Many different optical designs were trialled, using different lens configurations, lens materials, lens designs etc. In the end, I think we considered around 40 design proposals. As one aspect improved, another became worse. We continuously changed and then evolved the design until we were completely happy with the balance of the various aspects.

But even then, while we knew the camera performance would be really good, we didn’t know how good. Simulations are one thing but with so much complexity involved in the image processing as the area of the sensor used changed and effecting scaling and oversampling behaviour, we never really knew that we could be 100% confident what would work well and what wouldn’t. A great deal of discussion and simulating was carried out to try and predict every eventuality, but there’s only so much you can do.

When the very first prototype camera modules became available, the excitement and anticipation of all those involved in the project was pretty extreme. Would it be as good as our simulations showed? One sample was sent to our friends at Carl Zeiss for testing around this time. A few of guys from our imaging team went to take some shots over the Pyhäjärvi lake, which lies in between cities Tampere and Nokia (yes, there really is a city called Nokia in Finland).

I remember the content of two emails still to this day. One from the Tampere team with images attached captured with the first prototype camera and another captured with a Canon digital SLR as a reference. I opened both images and viewed immediately at 100%. Initially, I thought the images were labelled wrongly. Then I also saw the email from Carl Zeiss with the results from the lab testing. It’s usual for Carl Zeiss to provide a list of comments on areas where improvements could be made. On this occasion however, the email was uncharacteristically short. Here’s a short unedited excerpt from that email: “Our lab people are VERY happy with the quality. :-) ”

Relief!

This is, without doubt, our most complex imaging project to date. Often the ‘big idea’ has involved much discussion, but throughout the development process, as exciting as it may sound to introduce a device equipped with a 41-megapixel image sensor, our real excitement has ALWAYS been associated with the opportunities and in particular the performance this provides in its default form when shooting ‘just’ 5-megapixel images or when recording full HD video. We’ve waited a very long time to be able to do what we believe is right and break free from the years of legacies laid down behind us.

During the journey, what was originally a simple idea evolved into something a great deal more revolutionary. This was possible due to Nokia’s long expertise in imaging, partnering with the best companies in the world, incredible craftsmanship and unwillingness to compromise in performance.

[image note: the images in this post have been resized in PhotoShop. To inspect the quality of the Nokia 808 PureView's output, check out the flickr set where they were first published.]

Comments

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CIEE4NE7C6NNTRLPGSCQADEIG4 Anonymous

    Wow, why I love Nokia? because NOKIA=INNOVATION. I hope Elop will not destroy the innovation of Nokia!

    • Damian Dinning

      Far from it, from my own personal experience I can say Stephen has been
      instrumental in helping bring innovation to the market faster, you’ll see a
      great deal more of that…

      • Mike Day

        I know it is early days but surely limitations with the WP platform will certainly affect the ability to innovate in hardware, which is what Nokia has always been great at. I would hate for them to fall behind because of platform limitations.  Maybe thats where Symbian will be best used now, as a technology proving ground.

      • Mike Day

        I know it is early days but surely limitations with the WP platform will certainly affect the ability to innovate in hardware, which is what Nokia has always been great at. I would hate for them to fall behind because of platform limitations.  Maybe thats where Symbian will be best used now, as a technology proving ground.

      • Mike Day

        I know it is early days but surely limitations with the WP platform will certainly affect the ability to innovate in hardware, which is what Nokia has always been great at. I would hate for them to fall behind because of platform limitations.  Maybe thats where Symbian will be best used now, as a technology proving ground.

      • Mike Day

        I know it is early days but surely limitations with the WP platform will certainly affect the ability to innovate in hardware, which is what Nokia has always been great at. I would hate for them to fall behind because of platform limitations.  Maybe thats where Symbian will be best used now, as a technology proving ground.

      • Mike Day

        I know it is early days but surely limitations with the WP platform will certainly affect the ability to innovate in hardware, which is what Nokia has always been great at. I would hate for them to fall behind because of platform limitations.  Maybe thats where Symbian will be best used now, as a technology proving ground.

      • Anonymous

        ?! Thats not true. The Nokia N9 is still not worldwide available. Instead the Lumia featurephones were pushed.

    • Damian Dinning

      Far from it, from my own personal experience I can say Stephen has been
      instrumental in helping bring innovation to the market faster, you’ll see a
      great deal more of that…

  • http://twitter.com/jamesburland James Burland

    “During the journey, what was originally a simple idea evolved into something a great deal more revolutionary.” What a great quote, evocative, yet totally honest.

    • Damian Dinning

      Thanks James, you know me :)

    • Damian Dinning

      Thanks James, you know me :)

  • http://twitter.com/jamesburland James Burland

    “During the journey, what was originally a simple idea evolved into something a great deal more revolutionary.” What a great quote, evocative, yet totally honest.

  • Anonymous

    Lumia you say? Never heard of it, I’m going to buy this 41MP 808!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KIEAHRYYECRI7SLP7GZI6LI7TQ IA

      And even if the PureView technology trickles down to Lumia WP7/WP8 phones in future, you can bet that the sales of the Symbian variant will still win.

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  • http://smartphonegeeks.in/ Rohit Palit

    It feels so great to hear about PureView from you yourself. :)

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  • http://twitter.com/wajon68 Jon

    I’m sure it won’t be long before we see compact camera’s employing this technique to incorporate zoom. Game Changing technology advance. Nokia have always inovated around camera technology. I wonder what else they’ve got up there sleeves, and when we’ll see it.

  • http://twitter.com/wajon68 Jon

    I’m sure it won’t be long before we see compact camera’s employing this technique to incorporate zoom. Game Changing technology advance. Nokia have always inovated around camera technology. I wonder what else they’ve got up there sleeves, and when we’ll see it.

    • Anonymous

      You’ve heard of something called patents, right?

      Nokia just took a successful leap where others can’t follow.

    • Anonymous

      You’ve heard of something called patents, right?

      Nokia just took a successful leap where others can’t follow.

  • http://twitter.com/AntonSarajaKada Anton Saraja Kadam

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  • http://kamuselektrik.wordpress.com/ kmscasio

    Nice!

  • Mike Day

    Damien, is the technology used in the 808 PureView patented?

  • Mike Day

    Damien, is the technology used in the 808 PureView patented?

    • Anonymous

       oh not, i hope it can not be patented, otherwise nokia make small improvment for the next five years just like they did with nokia n97

    • Damian Dinning

      Sure, Nokia has a lot of IPR in the area of imaging.

    • Damian Dinning

      Sure, Nokia has a lot of IPR in the area of imaging.

  • Mike Day

    Damien, is the technology used in the 808 PureView patented?

  • Anonymous

    When will it be available in the US?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KIEAHRYYECRI7SLP7GZI6LI7TQ IA

      It’s not going to the US, because Mr Elop wants you Americans to buy more Lumia phones and bolster the ‘turd ecosystem’.

      Americans will have to parallel import.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KIEAHRYYECRI7SLP7GZI6LI7TQ IA

      It’s not going to the US, because Mr Elop wants you Americans to buy more Lumia phones and bolster the ‘turd ecosystem’.

      Americans will have to parallel import.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KIEAHRYYECRI7SLP7GZI6LI7TQ IA

      It’s not going to the US, because Mr Elop wants you Americans to buy more Lumia phones and bolster the ‘turd ecosystem’.

      Americans will have to parallel import.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWVRPJYQFEG7ZCHPD7LDPBR2CM LWSJR

        @IA…Oh Please!  If there are any Americans that want the 808, they will order it through Amazon – there will be no need to import.

        However, Pure View IS coming to Windows Phone, and will reach the mainstream via the Nokia Lumia line. 

        And count me amongst the many who will chose a Lumia Pure View device!

        • Anonymous

          You can’t speak for everone. I asked for the Nokia Pureview 808 and not for one of those limited Lumia Phones. I want full USB, Bluetooth and Multitasking support on my Device.

        • Anonymous

          You can’t speak for everone. I asked for the Nokia Pureview 808 and not for one of those limited Lumia Phones. I want full USB, Bluetooth and Multitasking support on my Device.

    • Damian Dinning

      We have only announced that availability will be from Q2. No specific country availability information has been released yet.

  • Anonymous

    When will it be available in the US?

  • Anonymous

    When will it be available in the US?

  • Anonymous

    When will it be available in the US?

  • Anonymous

    When will it be available in the US?

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  • Anonymous

    Damian, one question. I know it’s not your department, but is FM-transmitters in any way considered for Windows Phones? Norway is shutting down its fm-network within 2016. Imagine all the cars that go silent :/

    • Bataleon

      Not enough manufacturers include FM transmitters in their handsets. Let’s hope Nokia brings this functionality to their WP devices too.

    • Damian Dinning

      Sorry I can’t comment on aspects relating to future product specifications.

      • Anonymous

        I know you can’t :) Just putting it out there, so that hopefully someone takes notice of the consumers needs, in this case entire Norway needs fm-transmitters soon. Good selling point as well, and the fm-tx was a life changer for me, no more aux-cables or burning cd’s. Upgrading to DAB is way too expensive.

      • Anonymous

        I know you can’t :) Just putting it out there, so that hopefully someone takes notice of the consumers needs, in this case entire Norway needs fm-transmitters soon. Good selling point as well, and the fm-tx was a life changer for me, no more aux-cables or burning cd’s. Upgrading to DAB is way too expensive.

      • Anonymous

        I know you can’t :) Just putting it out there, so that hopefully someone takes notice of the consumers needs, in this case entire Norway needs fm-transmitters soon. Good selling point as well, and the fm-tx was a life changer for me, no more aux-cables or burning cd’s. Upgrading to DAB is way too expensive.

      • Anonymous

        I know you can’t :) Just putting it out there, so that hopefully someone takes notice of the consumers needs, in this case entire Norway needs fm-transmitters soon. Good selling point as well, and the fm-tx was a life changer for me, no more aux-cables or burning cd’s. Upgrading to DAB is way too expensive.

      • Anonymous

        I know you can’t :) Just putting it out there, so that hopefully someone takes notice of the consumers needs, in this case entire Norway needs fm-transmitters soon. Good selling point as well, and the fm-tx was a life changer for me, no more aux-cables or burning cd’s. Upgrading to DAB is way too expensive.

  • http://twitter.com/Banderpop Banderpop

    I’m really looking forward to seeing what the video will be like from the finished product.  The N8 turned out to be great, but the higher resolution, light-sensitivity, down-sampling, LED light, greater zoom and better microphone quality of the 808 should leave the N8, and any other small video cameras far behind!

    Just wondering what image stabilisation will be like, and whether there will be any higher frame rate options, for 50/60fps or slow motion video recording.  If those are taken care of, owning a dedicated video camera in addition to an 808 becomes pretty pointless unless it’s a large professional one.

    • Damian Dinning

      Currently we provide the following options for video:
      1080p 4x lossless zoom, 720p 6x lossless zoom, 360p 12x lossless zoom.
      30, 25, 24, 15 fps

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  • Anonymous

    everytime i read that the first 808 prototype had been done in 2008 i think that: are they actually working for something more awesome? what i can expect for the next years? 4 years have passed since the forst pureview prototype, i can’t think in nokia labs there aren’t something better (sorry for the language, i’m italian)

    i hope to find new solution applied to the screen, the only achille’s heel of 808

  • Anonymous

    thanks for sharing this story Damian! especially the quote from Zeiss

    I heard that the 808 is having some kinks worked out as its having issues in a studio environment, could you elaborate?

    • Damian Dinning

      Image optimisation is not finished, we are still working on improving a number of areas.

      • Anonymous

         Hi Damian,

        First, fantastic product. Second, impressive to see you engaged here. Third, I’ve come to understand that the manufacturing process requires such tight tolerances that the lens/sensor has to be produced as a single unit, hence swappable lenses are not possible with PureView. On the other hand, the unit is one cubic centimeter (correct?). If possible I’d like to see a phone with more than lens/sensor unit incorporated, so that we could get e.g. the current set up, an extreme macro lens, and a telelens in one phone (i.e. three different ones in the same phone). Incorporate a Microvision Showwx Pico projector and you’ve got the ultimate camera/media phone. I have no idea if this is feasible from a space/tech standpoint, but it sure would make a killer app product.

      • Anonymous

         Hi Damian,

        First, fantastic product. Second, impressive to see you engaged here. Third, I’ve come to understand that the manufacturing process requires such tight tolerances that the lens/sensor has to be produced as a single unit, hence swappable lenses are not possible with PureView. On the other hand, the unit is one cubic centimeter (correct?). If possible I’d like to see a phone with more than lens/sensor unit incorporated, so that we could get e.g. the current set up, an extreme macro lens, and a telelens in one phone (i.e. three different ones in the same phone). Incorporate a Microvision Showwx Pico projector and you’ve got the ultimate camera/media phone. I have no idea if this is feasible from a space/tech standpoint, but it sure would make a killer app product.

  • Anonymous

    thanks for sharing this story Damian! especially the quote from Zeiss

    I heard that the 808 is having some kinks worked out as its having issues in a studio environment, could you elaborate?

  • Anonymous

    thanks for sharing this story Damian! especially the quote from Zeiss

    I heard that the 808 is having some kinks worked out as its having issues in a studio environment, could you elaborate?

  • Anonymous

    thanks for sharing this story Damian! especially the quote from Zeiss

    I heard that the 808 is having some kinks worked out as its having issues in a studio environment, could you elaborate?

  • Walt French

    Sounds like some really great engineering to get such a great sensor into the compact space in a smartphone.

    I’ve heard that besides the obvious great work on the optics and getting it into the phone, that you needed some custom processor to support the processing (much like the high-end DSLRs have). Anything particular to brag about on that score?

    And how about the software? It would seem that variable-zoom downsampling is not too complex, the sort of thing that an image editor has been doing for years. Any particular tricks there?

    • Damian Dinning

      May sound simple but I can assure it isn’t. I wish it had been as simple as you suggest ;) We have a lot of proprietary technology here.

      We have a dedicated GPU plus a companion processor in the camera module to assist with scaling therefore sharing the load with the GPU. I can’t go in to more details than that I’m afraid without touching sensitive information.

    • Damian Dinning

      Hi, I think you may be mixing some points here.

      Nokia has been using dedicated image processors for many years, that’s nothing new. Although it seems the recent press coverage of a manufacturer finally using dedicated processors has made people believe this is new in smartphones….ah well.

      In addition to the CPU there is a more powerful GPU whose dedicated function is to take care of all the visul based processing e.g. graphics and image processing. However, there is no smartphone GPU that on it’s own can handle all of those pixels, for example in video we need to handle over 1 billion pixels per second up to 16 times greater throughput than other high-end smartphones. We therefore co-developed an additional processor which does some pre-scaling to lighten the load for the GPU.

      As for downsampling, there are a number of ways you can do this and yes some of them are not too complex as you refer to it ;) In our case we are using a far more complex method which preserves as much detail as possible whilst filtering out as much of the noise as possible. There was a great deal of research and development that went in to this one area alone.

    • Damian Dinning

      Hi, I think you may be mixing some points here.

      Nokia has been using dedicated image processors for many years, that’s nothing new. Although it seems the recent press coverage of a manufacturer finally using dedicated processors has made people believe this is new in smartphones….ah well.

      In addition to the CPU there is a more powerful GPU whose dedicated function is to take care of all the visul based processing e.g. graphics and image processing. However, there is no smartphone GPU that on it’s own can handle all of those pixels, for example in video we need to handle over 1 billion pixels per second up to 16 times greater throughput than other high-end smartphones. We therefore co-developed an additional processor which does some pre-scaling to lighten the load for the GPU.

      As for downsampling, there are a number of ways you can do this and yes some of them are not too complex as you refer to it ;) In our case we are using a far more complex method which preserves as much detail as possible whilst filtering out as much of the noise as possible. There was a great deal of research and development that went in to this one area alone.

    • Damian Dinning

      Hi, I think you may be mixing some points here.

      Nokia has been using dedicated image processors for many years, that’s nothing new. Although it seems the recent press coverage of a manufacturer finally using dedicated processors has made people believe this is new in smartphones….ah well.

      In addition to the CPU there is a more powerful GPU whose dedicated function is to take care of all the visul based processing e.g. graphics and image processing. However, there is no smartphone GPU that on it’s own can handle all of those pixels, for example in video we need to handle over 1 billion pixels per second up to 16 times greater throughput than other high-end smartphones. We therefore co-developed an additional processor which does some pre-scaling to lighten the load for the GPU.

      As for downsampling, there are a number of ways you can do this and yes some of them are not too complex as you refer to it ;) In our case we are using a far more complex method which preserves as much detail as possible whilst filtering out as much of the noise as possible. There was a great deal of research and development that went in to this one area alone.

  • http://twitter.com/EmmanuelM01 Emmanuel Marchiset

     Steve Jobs said “At Apple we LOVE music, we made the iPod”

    And now we can add “At NOKIA they LOVE photographs and they made the 808″

    Congratulations Mister Dinning !!

    • http://twitter.com/nirmanS nirman

      very well said!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DNJSNHKEYE4ODWMYBPWDJEHP4 John

    Congratulations Damian on PureView!

    I have two questions:

    Will there be a Nokia N9 (MeeGo/Swipe/Buttonless-front OS) successor with PureView in the future?

    Will there be a Nokia 808 (Symbian OS) successor (I know the 808 has just been announced.) in the future?

    I’ve asked these 2 questions because I don’t like Windows Phone (I hate Tiles UI.). I prefer MeeGo or Symbian.

    All the best!

    • Anonymous

       i also want n9 successor with pureview! nokia can be forgiven if it happens

    • Damian Dinning

      Sorry I can’t comment I future roadmap plans.

      Intrigued, what is it about the Metro UI you don’t like? Personally I’m a big fan.

      • Anonymous

        The Metro UI is okay. The big problem are the missing features and the totally locked down system.

        • http://vikas-patidar.myopenid.com/ Vikas Patidar

           Yes you are right and in Tango version MS already disabled some of most essential features.

          • Anonymous

             What features have they additionally removed?

          • Anonymous

             What features have they additionally removed?

          • Anonymous

             What features have they additionally removed?

          • http://vikas-patidar.myopenid.com/ Vikas Patidar

             Fast application switching and Background tasks etc.

            Check out MyNokiaBlog for the more details.

          • Anonymous

            Oh, so Windows Phone gets even worse… very sad to read. :-(

            Hopefully Nokia will be able to get soon back on track to build again smartphones. A world only with featureless Windows Phones from Nokia sounds not very good. I hate the cheap plastic phones from the asian manufacturers. WO a choice would be great. :-(

      • Anonymous

        The Metro UI is okay. The big problem are the missing features and the totally locked down system.

      • Anonymous

        The Metro UI is okay. The big problem are the missing features and the totally locked down system.

      • Anonymous

         for me its too simple looking and i cant stand not having wallpapers (i know there’s an app for that but its not perfect)

        i feel like im playing with a device meant for seniors with seeing problems

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DNJSNHKEYE4ODWMYBPWDJEHP4 John

        I prefer the Icons UI of Symbian and especially MeeGo. It uses space more efficiently than Metro/Tiles UI.

        Windows Phone doesn’t have bluetooth file transfer.

        Comments/Posts at Nokia forums/blogs seem to not like Windows Phone. If there’s no Symbian/MeeGo alternative to Windows Phone in the future for Nokia, they’re switching to Android/Samsung which is closer to Symbian/MeeGo. I hope Elop is not impervious to this.

        • Damian Dinning

          A few general comments here.

          1st, I really really love my 808, some of the refinements and enhancements that are coming I personally really like, the music player, the portrait qwerty (improvements we haven’t shared yet) and especially the homescreen with new widgets all contribute to a much enhanced experience. And of course we’ve completely overhauled the entire imaging experience, especially the camera. I’m personally really proud of what the guys achieved with the camera. I find the 808 extremely compelling.

          Now for Windows Phone, bear in mind this platform is constantly evolving. There’s a lot to love in the pipeline. Speaking personally I really love the Metro UI, it’s extremely refreshing. As an experience (and I’ve used for many months all of the platforms as my daily device) WP is my personal favourite, it really focuses on getting the job done rather than desperately trying to convince you it’s what you want with over the top eye candy. Some may prefer the eye candy approach of others and that’s fine, but for me, that chrome is just getting in the way of the experience. That and the 808 are just two of the reasons why I’m extremely excited about working at Nokia right now.

        • Damian Dinning

          A few general comments here.

          1st, I really really love my 808, some of the refinements and enhancements that are coming I personally really like, the music player, the portrait qwerty (improvements we haven’t shared yet) and especially the homescreen with new widgets all contribute to a much enhanced experience. And of course we’ve completely overhauled the entire imaging experience, especially the camera. I’m personally really proud of what the guys achieved with the camera. I find the 808 extremely compelling.

          Now for Windows Phone, bear in mind this platform is constantly evolving. There’s a lot to love in the pipeline. Speaking personally I really love the Metro UI, it’s extremely refreshing. As an experience (and I’ve used for many months all of the platforms as my daily device) WP is my personal favourite, it really focuses on getting the job done rather than desperately trying to convince you it’s what you want with over the top eye candy. Some may prefer the eye candy approach of others and that’s fine, but for me, that chrome is just getting in the way of the experience. That and the 808 are just two of the reasons why I’m extremely excited about working at Nokia right now.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2DNJSNHKEYE4ODWMYBPWDJEHP4 John

    Congratulations Damian on PureView!

    I have two questions:

    Will there be a Nokia N9 (MeeGo/Swipe/Buttonless-front OS) successor with PureView in the future?

    Will there be a Nokia 808 (Symbian OS) successor (I know the 808 has just been announced.) in the future?

    I’ve asked these 2 questions because I don’t like Windows Phone (I hate Tiles UI.). I prefer MeeGo or Symbian.

    All the best!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=653371390 Kyle Rose

    Thanks for all the hard work and changing the world of mobile imaging. Now please let me buy this in North America.

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  • Anonymous

    Will Nokia produce cameras with PureView technology?

  • Anonymous

    Will Nokia produce cameras with PureView technology?

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

  • http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

    Great article about journey in making of nokia 808 pure view….many kudos to Nokia team working with it :)
    @PhoneDaz:disqus sir, will Nokia use EDoF sensor in future with symbian phones? judging from currently announced nokia windows phones,it doesn’t look like that Nokia would use EDoF with this platform but last year there were all symbian phones released with edof camera particularly nokia 701 with a bit advanced edof sensor according to all about symbian blog so…currently is there any work going on with edof sensors?  

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  • Anonymous

    at onne point apple is better then nokia:
    The time between first presentation and available for sell is shorter.

    Now many of us can`t sleep until the 808 is available :-(

  • Anonymous

    at onne point apple is better then nokia:
    The time between first presentation and available for sell is shorter.

    Now many of us can`t sleep until the 808 is available :-(

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinmartin.imperial Kevin Martin Imperial

    congratulations mr. Dinning…im a very big fan of nokia phones especially my nokia n8..im looking forward to this nokia 808..but i need a year before i can buy it…same as i bought my n8..=)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinmartin.imperial Kevin Martin Imperial

    congratulations mr. Dinning…im a very big fan of nokia phones especially my nokia n8..im looking forward to this nokia 808..but i need a year before i can buy it…same as i bought my n8..=)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinmartin.imperial Kevin Martin Imperial

    congratulations mr. Dinning…im a very big fan of nokia phones especially my nokia n8..im looking forward to this nokia 808..but i need a year before i can buy it…same as i bought my n8..=)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kevinmartin.imperial Kevin Martin Imperial

    congratulations mr. Dinning…im a very big fan of nokia phones especially my nokia n8..im looking forward to this nokia 808..but i need a year before i can buy it…same as i bought my n8..=)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Nasid.Habib Shreader Nasid

    Mr. Dinning…firstly i am surprised by noki 808 pureview…its simply awesome..im a professional photographer and now i use my n8 along with my d7000 most of the times.. the sheer quality of n8 amazed me and im waiting fr the 808 to amaze me this time.
    my questions to u are
    1. if this specific technology is developed even more..is it possible that it might replace the current day top shooters (dslr’s)
    2. im a fan of capturing trails… i use the night mode of n8 to capture really small trails of car headlights at full res and then crop them into a good looking image. can the shutter speed of 808 b controlled manually???
    thank you very much and congratzzz…you and your team have really done a great job

    • Anonymous

       oh wow i always wanted to do some trail light shots but i have no idea how and didnt even think the N8 could do that!

      Im going to have to give it a shot

      • http://www.facebook.com/Nasid.Habib Shreader Nasid

        well its not that hard…just turn the night mode on and take walk in the evening…or sometimes after the sunset.. u have crop the trail out of the whole image to give it a trail look….some shots turn out to b amazing though….

        • Anonymous

           ah thank you

    • Damian Dinning

       Hi, unfortunately you can’t control the shutter speeds directly. However we were very much aware of the desire here so we have been trying to introduce more controls so you can influence the shutter speeds on a greater level compared to previous products. The main limitation here is the lack of a variable aperture. We invest that space in optics instead of a diaphragm.

      For the first time we have provided a user control for the ND filter. It provides 3 stops of shutter speed control. You can manually engage or disengage it or leave it to the camera decide when it’s required. This will provide the ability to force the camera to use faster/slower shutter speeds.
      ISO sensitivity is as low as 50 now vs 100 before, there are more manual ISO settings, we’ll have at least 50, 100, 200, 400 and 800. We are still considering additional options.
      The final thing we are still investigating is the slowest shutter speed, this is an area which is much more complex than appears on the surface.

  • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

    My eyes lit up and I started drooling when I read about the 808 but then I was given a kick in the teeth by one word.. Symbian. It doesn’t matter how great the toys are in a smart phone if it doesn’t have an OS to match then the toys are useless. This has killed it for me irrespective of the fantastic camera specs on the 808. I have had Nokia phones since the Nokia 6110/5110 (1997/98 I think it was) and have always used Nokia… never even looked at another brand. I currently have an N8 and I have been hanging on waiting for Nokia to get with the times with either Android or Phone 7/8. Nokia’s agreement with Microsoft reinvigorated my interest and you bring out the 808 with Symbian ????  ffs!!. Sadly my N8 will be my last Nokia because when I change brands I never look back. More than likely I am off to HTC or Samsung, rather grudgingly I may add.

    • http://twitter.com/AtterbomNET AtterbomNET

      Your decision to leave Nokia doesn’t make sense. Nokia with Windows will get PureView. Why don’t you wait instead of grudgingly going with an inferior product?

      • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

        See my above comment re Belle not being available in Australia. Added to that I want a “smart” phone so I can develop some personal apps to further enhance the functionality of my phone and either Android or Phone 7/8 will do it (preferably Phone 7/8), I am not about to take a step backwards and develop anything in Symbian because Nokia has made it quite difficult to do so. Nokia is letting people down that want to use mobile communications to it’s limit by still hanging on to Symbian and that’s why I will be changing. The camera on the 808 looks so good and that’s why it hurts..lol

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CIEE4NE7C6NNTRLPGSCQADEIG4 Anonymous

           With Qt SDK is as easy as with Android SDK, but yes, the native Symbian SDK is just for real engineers like me! :) (no ofence)

          • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

            Never met a real engineer ;-) Unfortunately my primary interest is microwave and satellite/space communications in my ham radio shack since retired from the defence industry (E&C) years ago but I do like to play with linux and MS to keep the brain cells active (in amongst other interests) and Symbian reminds me of Latin (language is another interest :-)). Nice to meet you though, Mr Engineer and you keep fixing those steam trains for us ;-)

          • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

            Never met a real engineer ;-) Unfortunately my primary interest is microwave and satellite/space communications in my ham radio shack since retired from the defence industry (E&C) years ago but I do like to play with linux and MS to keep the brain cells active (in amongst other interests) and Symbian reminds me of Latin (language is another interest :-)). Nice to meet you though, Mr Engineer and you keep fixing those steam trains for us ;-)

          • http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney

             Just to put it on record: your reply made me LOL

          • http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney

             Just to put it on record: your reply made me LOL

          • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

            Never met a real engineer ;-) Unfortunately my primary interest is microwave and satellite/space communications in my ham radio shack since retired from the defence industry (E&C) years ago but I do like to play with linux and MS to keep the brain cells active (in amongst other interests) and Symbian reminds me of Latin (language is another interest :-)). Nice to meet you though, Mr Engineer and you keep fixing those steam trains for us ;-)

        • http://profiles.google.com/jnathanrmdavies Nathan Davies

           I understand, am in a simular boat, but to be fair symbian use’s Qt which is faster and easier to write than java in android or C# in WP7-8, though if u allready have experience in though’s then that’s different! i have bella on my N8 and have 1 year left on my contract, so am quite happy and don’t know what i’m going to do in the future. The 808 will not be a mass market product and yes if it was on WP7 it would be easy for me but WP7 is at the moment a “paid content consumption OS” and not all that smart! Symbian with all its falings has the “smartest” kernal out of all the phone os’s android is next and as it uses lunix. Which makes the 808 a very smart phone/camera. But not in the same way as the other internet focused os’s.

      • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

        See my above comment re Belle not being available in Australia. Added to that I want a “smart” phone so I can develop some personal apps to further enhance the functionality of my phone and either Android or Phone 7/8 will do it (preferably Phone 7/8), I am not about to take a step backwards and develop anything in Symbian because Nokia has made it quite difficult to do so. Nokia is letting people down that want to use mobile communications to it’s limit by still hanging on to Symbian and that’s why I will be changing. The camera on the 808 looks so good and that’s why it hurts..lol

      • Anonymous

        Eh? Your post makes no sense. You should test yourself Windows Phone before posting such misdirecting advices. A mobile with iOS, Android, maemo, MeeGo-Harmattan, BB10 or even WebOS would be superior compared to Symbian. But surely not Windows Phone. There are to many features missing. So don’t say a PureView Device with the old but still working Symbian would be inferior compared to one of these Windows Featurephones Nokia is currently releasing. This ist not true, no matter how often the Nokia marketing departing tries to suggest it.

      • Anonymous

        Eh? Your post makes no sense. You should test yourself Windows Phone before posting such misdirecting advices. A mobile with iOS, Android, maemo, MeeGo-Harmattan, BB10 or even WebOS would be superior compared to Symbian. But surely not Windows Phone. There are to many features missing. So don’t say a PureView Device with the old but still working Symbian would be inferior compared to one of these Windows Featurephones Nokia is currently releasing. This ist not true, no matter how often the Nokia marketing departing tries to suggest it.

    • Anonymous

      you dont like your N8 with belle? that’s a shame, im in looooove with it! if it wasnt because of the 808s camera and increased specs I wouldnt be getting a new device for years to come and even still im having a hard time with the thought of a switch since i love my N8 so

      • http://www.facebook.com/VK2FH Peter Tolmie

        Nokia doesn’t offer Belle as an upgrade in Australia for some reason. I am still stuck with Anna and it’s inherent bugs (difficulty with bluetooth incoming calls on hands free, delay in disconnection of signals, slowness in app and menu selections etc..) which really drags the N8 down in quality.

        • Anonymous

           wanted to give a proper reply but since there was a link in it its awaiting approval -_-

          anyway sounds like you need to reset your phone / reinstall anna i didnt have issues with BT before :( that sucks

          as for belle i would have imagined that they had already released Belle in Australia by now

          if you check nokias support discussion page “yvonne” aka skyee says that Belle would be coming for AUS/NZ :/ (provided the link but that msg is pending now)

    • Erkki Ruohtula

      By running Symbian, it has much better compatibility with non-Microsoft operating systems for data exchange than the Windows WP7. Because of the exchangeable microSD cards you can make more space for your great photos and videos, and you can get them out of the phone without a computer or network. I guess you can also mount the 808 as a “drive” via USB like other Symbians, but not like WP7.
      I would argue that the current strange limitations in WP7 actually makes it unsuitable for a high-end camera phone. It seems to be just a paid content consumption OS.

    • Emme

      Given the superior camera I will happily use the 808 as my last Symbian device.

    • Emme

      Given the superior camera I will happily use the 808 as my last Symbian device.

    • Anonymous

       As i read all your post, you say that you don’t like Symbian and instead of that you like the laggy android and with a lot of limitation windows.. And of course without see and touch Belle or Belle FP1..
      Pure “trolling”..!!! Are you relative of CEO..?
      And for one more time: Symbian OS is the MOST costumable, smoother and runs without needing dual-cores..
      If you want to change do it, but when you realise what the other OS’s REALLY give, then you recognize your mistake..

  • Anonymous

     that’s awesome news, does it look like the issues will be fixed before release or are we really looking @ a camera update after release like we had for the N8?

    • Damian Dinning

      What issues are you referring to? Only prototype hw and sw has been shown so
      far.

      • Anonymous

        lol i dont know of any ‘issues’ in particular i was replying to your
        reply to me about the camera still getting finalized/optimized/improved
         
        (but for some
        reason the message isnt showing as a reply so it may be confusing on its own)

        what i meant to ask was if those issues of further optimizing the camera would be ready for the retail units or would we expect them to arrive as an update after release

        • Damian Dinning

          Resolved for sales for sure.

          • Anonymous

             ah that’s good to hear thanks Damian

        • Damian Dinning

          Resolved for sales for sure.

  • Anonymous

    pixel oversampling technology (7 pixels to 1 good and super pixel) and nokia rich recording (crystal clear sound effect) are very superb and in mobile industry this is the first time. very soon it do go to hit the global market and it will be the no 1 in imaging and video device.

  • http://profiles.google.com/herrzeba Sebastian Jaster

    Symbian never had newest apps, especially games. Only the biggest titles were eventually ported to Symbian. I let it slide due to great Nokia N8 camera. Nokia’s marriage with Windows Phone felt like a smack in my face. I almost switched to Samsung Galaxy when I discovered news about 808. I guess I can live without apps.

    Belle is OK, but in many aspects it’s worst than Anna – many features where lost in translation (no photo tagging, can’t access Calendar by just clicking on date – need separate app on my home screen for that, can’t connect to external speakers/stereo, music player lacking and STILL NO support for FLAC audio files, even though software and hardware is perfectly capable of it).I will buy 808, as I don’t want to drag with me compact camera and the phone, I just wonder, how about ISO specifications? Or will it be revealed later on?

    Thanks. Great job, Damian.

  • http://profiles.google.com/herrzeba Sebastian Jaster

    Symbian never had newest apps, especially games. Only the biggest titles were eventually ported to Symbian. I let it slide due to great Nokia N8 camera. Nokia’s marriage with Windows Phone felt like a smack in my face. I almost switched to Samsung Galaxy when I discovered news about 808. I guess I can live without apps.

    Belle is OK, but in many aspects it’s worst than Anna – many features where lost in translation (no photo tagging, can’t access Calendar by just clicking on date – need separate app on my home screen for that, can’t connect to external speakers/stereo, music player lacking and STILL NO support for FLAC audio files, even though software and hardware is perfectly capable of it).I will buy 808, as I don’t want to drag with me compact camera and the phone, I just wonder, how about ISO specifications? Or will it be revealed later on?

    Thanks. Great job, Damian.

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  • Anonymous

    I have analized all your images. Very good.
    However, most of them are taken at around ISO 60. One of them is ISO 100 and is still ok. Not much noise, but there is some.
    Is the Toshiba sensor using BSI technology ? BSI is not miraculous but in most cases seems better than standard CMOS.
    Furthermore, I went to look inside the pictures.
    What I found is some huge remains of chromatic abberations in the borders. I used Nikon Capture NX software to take them off. It seems like the CA were already taken off but juste not enough. Depending on the picure (and supposedly of the focus) the CA are different.
    I think this small issue has to be solved. Especially if what I suppose you explained about what the camera can do, uncentered zooming (cropping wherever inside the entire sensor) for the movies.
    Most cameras nowadays are solving the CA problem before delivering.

    • Anonymous

       Here is a sample of the correction. There are samples with more CA but I couldn’t find the best settings. Capture NX is not the best tool.

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  • http://twitter.com/nirmanS nirman

    so far what i have seen of the N808… i would like to say…. Go reclaim the phone market once again!!! 
    Congrats!! Super excited about N808! (btw i still use nokia 5800 xpress music! lol)

  • Anonymous

    I read the story. Well done, guys. Although, I did have that idea in my mind years ago (more megapixels to be useable in digital zoom for low size pics).

    808 seems great. But there are no pages on its Audio Output (not the mic record but the 3.5mm output: the music player.)

    I hope such a page is made soon.

  • Anonymous

    I read the story. Well done, guys. Although, I did have that idea in my mind years ago (more megapixels to be useable in digital zoom for low size pics).

    808 seems great. But there are no pages on its Audio Output (not the mic record but the 3.5mm output: the music player.)

    I hope such a page is made soon.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WV5CYBGRUR4DFPBJPPCPCPEIQQ Winsly

    ..this monster camera phone is like a phone from far future and teleport back on our time… Good job, Nokia.. I hope seeing these technologies on future Nokia WP8 phones, JUST MAKE IT AND TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!..lol..love you Nokia, 

    …currently owns Nokia 500.. =)

  • Ziad Mohamed

    Damian Dinning you are Amazing… :)
    admired by you :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/tarannanny Cătălin Nicolae Gulică

    The PureWiew camera on a tablet! I demand this!!! :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/tarannanny Cătălin Nicolae Gulică

    I’d like to see the PureView cam on a tablet… :D