Nokia at the Windows Phone 8 unveiling

Published by Ian Delaney on June 20, 2012

Nokia at Windows Phone 8 unveiling

Today, Nokia’s Kevin Shields – who leads product development for Lumia smartphones – joined Microsoft representatives on stage at the Windows Phone Summit in San Francisco to outline how we’re working together to build a winning Windows Phone ecosystem and bring new experiences to Lumia phones.

Microsoft’s Terry Myerson, Kevin Gallo and Joe Belfiore started the morning by previewing Windows Phone 8, which will come out later this year, and unveiled new hardware specs like NFC, multi-core processors and improved screen resolutions.

With years of experience building NFC experiences on Symbian, the Nokia N9 and most recently the Nokia Lumia 610 NFC with Orange, we’re excited about what we can do with NFC across the whole of Windows Phone. Just take another look at the Nokia Play360 NFC speakers if you have any doubts.

Microsoft also revealed that Nokia would continue bringing unique innovations to Windows Phone 8 through our hardware, services and apps.

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Nokia Lumia owners to get new Windows Phone 8 experience

But the news doesn’t stop there. For those who already have Lumia devices with Windows Phone 7.5, you’ll be able to update your phones with some of the new Windows Phone 8 features like the start screen and download new apps from companies like Zynga, whose Words with Friends and Draw Something will be available in Autumn.

Microsoft also announced today that the Windows Phone Marketplace has reached 100,000 apps, and with Windows Phone 8 sharing the Windows 8 core, millions of Windows developers will also be able to develop for Windows Phone ecosystem. Lumia customers can expect thousands more apps to be introduced across Windows Phone platform.

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The announcements underline the progress Nokia is making with the Lumia family of smartphones and in building a winning ecosystem with Microsoft. It shows how the Windows Phone experience continues to evolve at a faster pace than the competition and how Nokia’s continued investments in great location-based services benefit partners, developers and consumers.

New apps and functionality for Lumia owners

Finally, Kevin revealed that Nokia will deliver existing Lumia customers exclusive new Marketplace apps like digital Camera Extras to bring new possibilities to your Lumia including panorama shots, a self-timer, Action Shot for capturing movement and Smart Group Shot for creating the perfect group shot from several different images; new features for Nokia Drive and Nokia Transport; and also distributing a pattern of updates like WiFi tethering and flip-to-silence.

To learn more about those updates and when you can expect to see the new apps in Marketplace, check out this dedicated post. There’s a lot of exciting new stuff coming to Lumia now and in the future and we’ll keep you posted.

Comments

http://twitter.com/stedi Teuvo Väisänen

Is Lumia 900 getting the IE 10 with WP 7.8 ?
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  What’s so exciting about getting just the start menu? What about Skype integration? Notification? I really want to to take my two months old lumia 900 and throw it at the Microsoft store windows and hope some news channel raise the awareness. But thatll leave me with police record.
  
  Shame on you To even have the beta test is over campaign!
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  What’s so exciting about getting just the start menu? What about Skype integration? Notification? I really want to to take my two months old lumia 900 and throw it at the Microsoft store windows and hope some news channel raise the awareness. But thatll leave me with police record.
  
  Shame on you To even have the beta test is over campaign!
  - http://www.facebook.com/chintannapster Chintan Dave
    
    be calm dear. have faith and patience in life. Still MS is working on this OS. Its not avaialable in market. Windows Phone 7.5 should have skype integration. as it depends on software. like old Windows Phone 7 got update for Windows Phone 7.8 Mango.
    
    So my suggestion is to wait and have faith and trust. :)
    - http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney
      
      I love your attitude. Indeed, most of the details of both the Windows Phone 7 upgrades and Windows Phone 8 remain to be revealed.
      
      Should be an exciting summer!
      - Imago_Dei
        
        Yep, they’re so super secret that even Nokia does not know about them!
        
        But hey, that’s life for a hardware OEM.
      - Imago_Dei
        
        Yep, they’re so super secret that even Nokia does not know about them!
        
        But hey, that’s life for a hardware OEM.
      - http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
        
        Yea because it makes so much economic sense for Microsoft to prop up the CE kernel while trying to keep Nokia’s company from the sewer. Well you jumped from one burning platform to another. Congrats.
      - chintannapster
        
        are you mad ?
      - http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
        
        @chintannapster:disqus not mad at all. I got my phone free without contractbut I am not going to let people get lied to about mysterious new features and functionality. They need to own up to this and not lie.
      - enyibinakata
        
        What a HACK
  - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
    
    dont forget to tell me when are you going to do that because I want to join you!
http://twitter.com/stedi Teuvo Väisänen

Is Lumia 900 getting the IE 10 with WP 7.8 ?
http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim

hahaha. 7.8 my ass! lumia 900 was just launched last week in my country and now it cannot be upgraded to WP8? what kind of game are you playing here Nokia? do you even know that lumia will have a really bad sales until WP8 is out due to this incompatibility? and then what? WP8 will not be compatible with WP9? Honestly, this is my first and last windows phone. Good luck Nokia to win back the hearts of your fans. Unless you do something so that all the features in WP8 is gonna be available for Lumia mango phone!
http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim

hahaha. 7.8 my ass! lumia 900 was just launched last week in my country and now it cannot be upgraded to WP8? what kind of game are you playing here Nokia? do you even know that lumia will have a really bad sales until WP8 is out due to this incompatibility? and then what? WP8 will not be compatible with WP9? Honestly, this is my first and last windows phone. Good luck Nokia to win back the hearts of your fans. Unless you do something so that all the features in WP8 is gonna be available for Lumia mango phone!
- http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
  
  Relax; you’ll get a great visual refresh, WP8 start screen and loads of new apps and functionalities. The things you won’t be able to get are HW-dependent. At this stage it’s a bit difficult to deliver multi-core processors via SW updates…
  - Imago_Dei
    
    What you don’t get are ANY APPS made for WP8. They need not require any unavailable features, but if they’re marked for WP8, a current Lumia user is screwed. Bad.
    
    Other manufacturers never propped this kind of stopgap phones (like “top of the line” Lumia 900) that they knew they wouldn’t be able to support in just months time!
    
    Nokia let it’s customers down. On the positive side, there weren’t too many of them. On the negative side, there probably aren’t going to be very many of them.
  - Imago_Dei
    
    What you don’t get are ANY APPS made for WP8. They need not require any unavailable features, but if they’re marked for WP8, a current Lumia user is screwed. Bad.
    
    Other manufacturers never propped this kind of stopgap phones (like “top of the line” Lumia 900) that they knew they wouldn’t be able to support in just months time!
    
    Nokia let it’s customers down. On the positive side, there weren’t too many of them. On the negative side, there probably aren’t going to be very many of them.
    - maytrix1
      
      Apps can still be designed for WP7 though as they will still run on WP8.
      
      And the good apps are there or are websites that browse just fine on the phone.
      - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
        
        browsing through the browser? are you f**** kidding me?
      - xoj_21
        
        I can Brower Web on cheap ashamed, meltemi phone
        AND NO like it happen to n900 people wont develop apps for windows phone 7 I the future say goodbye to instagram o similar app
- maytrix1
  
  What’s the big deal? The phone will still work and still has a lot of great features. There’s always new and better features every time a new phone is released.
  
  Enjoy what you have and when you are due to upgrade, get a WP8.
  
  There’s really no phone that is any better – even iPhone’s which can get upgrades can’t always handle them. My 3G needed to be replaced because it was so slow after continuing to update.
  
  And for the record, I own a Lumia 900 as well.
  - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
    
    you are a joke. Its a really big deal. Lumia 900 was just launched last week in my country! and now it cannot be updated. 2 years old iphone 4 can still be updated to iOS6. Lumia 900 and 800 were only in the market for less than 1 year and it cannot be updated to the latest OS? is this not a BIG Deal? what are you being paid by Nokia to talk this shit?
    
    FYI, WP8 will get a true multitasking that will be MUCH better for the IM apps in the phone. You know how suck the IM apps in the WP phone right? the loading time is a joke! if you dont know what I mean. try using the IM+ or whatsapp apps. Then you’ll know how bad they are. You get the push notification but you have to wait for at least 1 minute for the apps to load and shit.
    
    seriously if you want to still using your so called Lumia phone GO AHEAD. I’m switching. You’ll definitely regret it when the WP8 is out. all of the developers will only have passion to write apps for WP8. the marketplace for WP7.8 will just stay like the current one. no new good apps. with this. Nokia just kills all the current Lumia phones!
    - maytrix1
      
      I guess it depends on what you use. All the apps I use are fine – I don’t use IM apps.
      
      If it was just launched last week, then don’t buy it or return it.
      
      I guess its a big deal to some, but for many its probably not. And while iPhone may be updateable, updates mean nothing if they slow the phone down. Try an iPhone 4 today with all the latest updates – WP 7 is faster and in my opinion better.
      - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
        
        Not a big problem for some? You can search everywhere on the internet even on this comment section how many people are mad compared to happy. Open your eyes and see the bigger picture.
        
        You dont use your phone for im? Then, you doesnt explore your phone just yet or perhaps you dont know that you can actually use that on your phone A true flagship smartphone should have handled all social aspects fluidly. Sorry for my harsh language. Its just that Im very dissapointed with nokia and microsoft right now.
        Lumia 900 is the current FLAGSHIP windows phone and it cannot be updated to the latest OS. What a shame and nice way to treat customers!
      - http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
        
        Hi, this is Dinesh from Nokia. There will be a lot of exciting capabilities coming as part of a pattern of
        updates for the existing Lumia products. This includes new software that bring new capabilities, features and enablers, new apps, like Camera Extras and, and also some of the most
        significant visual elements of WP8 – for example, the new start screen. As Heidi had mentioned in another comment, experiences that are hardware dependent will not be available for the existing range of devices, but that’s probably a given for any smartphone, no matter who it’s manufactured by.
      - http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
        
        Hi, this is Dinesh from Nokia. There will be a lot of exciting capabilities coming as part of a pattern of
        updates for the existing Lumia products. This includes new software that bring new capabilities, features and enablers, new apps, like Camera Extras and, and also some of the most
        significant visual elements of WP8 – for example, the new start screen. As Heidi had mentioned in another comment, experiences that are hardware dependent will not be available for the existing range of devices, but that’s probably a given for any smartphone, no matter who it’s manufactured by.
      - Paul Devine
        
        I’ve had my iphone 4 now since release its still goin strong with ios6, im in the same boat as the OP bought a 900 and upset it cant be upgraded, living in apple land for the past 4-5 years its actually upsetting the updates arent available for a relatively new phone
Witold Bulak

Lumia 610 will also get WP 7.8?
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Hi Witold, yes it will.
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Hi Witold, yes it will.
Witold Bulak

Lumia 610 will also get WP 7.8?
http://artemyev.biztoolbox.ru Andrey Artemyev

Thanks for current users support!
http://artemyev.biztoolbox.ru Andrey Artemyev

Thanks for current users support!
http://www.facebook.com/ViTaL0000 Peter Scott Vlahos

to bad no win 8 support… so sad MSFT…
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001018842041 Immortal Nightingale

I wish I have such a mobile , but I think I can never >
http://vikas-patidar.myopenid.com/ Vikas Patidar

Good luck Nokia wait and watch sales of current Lumia devices till you bring WP8 devices.
http://www.twitter.com/wixostrix WixosTrix

I love my Lumia 900 and will definitely be getting a Nokia WP8 phone.
http://vikas-patidar.myopenid.com/ Vikas Patidar

“how we’re working together to build a winning Windows Phone ecosystem and bring new experiences to Lumia phones.”

I really doubt, this sentence should be like this:

“how we’re JOKING together to build a winning Windows Phone ecosystem and bring new experiences to Lumia phones.”
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Hi Vikas, do share your thoughts on why Nokia and Microsoft are “joking together”
  - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
    
    Hey Dinesh, this is what you have posted in the previous comment.
    ‘Hi, this is Dinesh from Nokia. There will be a lot of exciting capabilities coming as part of a pattern of updates for the existing Lumia products. This includes new software that bring new capabilities, features and enablers, new apps, like Camera Extras and, and also some of the most significant visual elements of WP8 – for example, the new start screen. As Heidi had mentioned in another comment, experiences that are hardware dependent will not be available for the existing range of devices, but that’s probably a given for any smartphone, no matter who it’s manufactured by.”
    
    care to share what is the update that we get and not get? I’m sick of reading the phrase “there will be a lot of exciting stuff…”. If You really meant it then share what is the update!
    
    I couldnt care less about the nokia apps and the new start screen.
    
    Actually you dont even know what is going to be in WP7.8 right? Well it is just a theme with a new homescreen and a few new nokia apps. nothing more.
    
    goodbye Nokia and Windows Phone. I’m never coming back.
  - http://vikas-patidar.myopenid.com/ Vikas Patidar
    
    The way they have announced the news and left the current users in the darkness.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Yuvraj-Singh-Babrah/1371996520 Yuvraj Singh Babrah

a little sigh of relief..
http://www.segana.co.uk segana

As a Lumia 800 owner
Bryce Godfrey

You guys knew this was coming and your released the 900 knowing it was a dead end. I really feel scammed on this, and wish I could take back my 900. Certainly not recommending Nokia to anyone anymore, and you’ve permanently lost me as a customer.
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  hi Bryce, if you’re enjoying your Lumia 900 today, we can assure that it’ll only get better. Your Lumia 900 already sports IE9 and the best mobile mapping technology available on any smartphone platform. In July, there’ll be new features like Camera Extras that allows you to take nice group shots, panorama shots and action shots, as well as the ability to share contacts with others. There will be new games coming from Zynga. Then later in the year, the new start screen and some of the other visual elements of WP8. So, all’s not lost, unless a Mobile Wallet and NFC are key experiences you must have on your phone. So really, there’s nothing to feel scammed about.
  - enyibinakata
    
    Yes there is something to feel scammed about. You could have at least disclosed the roadmap of WP7 to your customers. Seriously, how do you guys sleep at night ?
  - Funderful
    
    7.8 is nothing more than a theme pack. It’s frankly a little insulting. WP8 could without a doubt run on existing hardware if Microsoft and its hardware partners cared enough about their customers to make it work.
    
    I’m curious about these new Nokia apps and features that are now being promised beside the new start screen. Will ‘Camera Extras’ fix the pinkish hue that plagues the WP7 camera stack? Will there be a Nokia app that enables full VOIP capabilities so that Skype can run properly like it does on every other smartphone platform from Symbian to Android and IOS? Will there be a Nokia IM client that can run in the background? Will Nokia provide some sort of VM that let’s us run apps that would otherwise require WP8 only API calls?
    
    This whole mess was hurtful enough without representatives from both Nokia and Microsoft pretending as if there’s nothing to be upset about.
    
    If you’re going to pretend you could at least pretend to be sorry.
http://www.facebook.com/rogood Robert Good

Porting Windows 8 apps to Windows Phone 7 takes about 15 minutes. Don’t shed a tear, Luminas will get nearly all Windows 8 apps.

I have a WP7 and not worried. All I want is that new Start Screen!!!!!
- http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
  
  Robert Good only Windows 7.5 apps can be ported up to Windows 8 and not down like you are suggesting. Go read or listen to what Microsoft has said.
karim08

Why not update all Lumia devices to WP8 instead of WP7.8 ?
If a device supports a particular feature then enable it otherwise disable it.
WP8 will be a new OS with 0% market share, how developers will deal with this ?
Maybe native AAA games (DirectX) will not run smoothly (because of hardware, and this will be a good reason to buy a new phone), but for Silverlight apps there is no reason.
NT Kernel is different from CE Kernel ? it’s true, but since when you cannot run WinXP/7 on an old x86 single core CPU ?
WP8 will run on ARM hardware, the same as all current devices !
This is pure marketing strategy.
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Hi Karim, this is a good question. We’re waiting to hear more from Microsoft. As of now, we know that the start screen will come to existing Windows Phone 7.5 phones. We know that the features that are hardware dependent (like NFC) will not be available via the software update. But other than the new features from Windows Phone 7.8, there are a whole bunch of other new apps and features coming your way, like Camera Extras, Contact Share, and new games like Zynga. So, there’s still so much to look out for and enjoy on Lumia devices.
http://www.facebook.com/renefrancisco René Sánchez

Windows 7.8 is just a theme you guys suck. I’m so disapionted… first meego now this… fuck you!
http://twitter.com/Pauloaspo Paulo

why you release Lumia 900 so later…..no….no this is not happening….where is my Lumia900 WP8 update?
http://profile.yahoo.com/YZ5PG6AKSB46LER2XJYADDW7DE Keith L

I’m still interested in getting a Lumia 900 if I could possbily get an unbranded, unlocked cyan Lumia 900 with LTE that would work on Bell. However after today I would expect there to be some kind of promotion otherwise I might as well wait for WP8 even though I would really like to have a Lumia 900 now.
http://twitter.com/seebear Christopher L.

I understand the issue of hardware depenedency and I don’t fully blame Nokia for that, but how about a trade in credit or at the very least the ability to buy the new phones before everyone else. The people using Windows Phones right now are the ones you want having the latest and greatest to show off to others. They are the people who aren’t afraid of new things and will influence others. Now you are relegating your best salesmen to driving last year’s model.
http://profile.yahoo.com/N3ZIOU4C3UST4LRHQB774CQK2Y ch1

I just started to love my Lumia 900 for about a month, and now I feel sad and abandoned, there are even countries waiting for the 900 to release, I don’t see any reason for people to buy a newly-old-fashioned windows phone. Terrible vision as usual for Microsoft. Customer support is the reason I gave up Android, still hoping this won’t be the case for Nokia. The beta test commercial looks so irony right now…
- http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney
  
  If you love it now, you’ll love it more in coming weeks and months with the new updates.
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/N3ZIOU4C3UST4LRHQB774CQK2Y ch1
    
    I can’t wait for the new update, especially the camera app and hoping it will bring back the quality Nokia phones used to have. Even though, can’t ignore the left behind feeling as well.
- http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney
  
  If you love it now, you’ll love it more in coming weeks and months with the new updates.
- Francois Magny
  
  Technology moves fast. Nokia needs to also move fast. At least we get 7.8!
- Francois Magny
  
  Technology moves fast. Nokia needs to also move fast. At least we get 7.8!
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/N3ZIOU4C3UST4LRHQB774CQK2Y ch1
    
    Technology moves fast, and that’s why vision is needed to survive. This is the first time I see a high-end model (stands for current WP system) doesn’t receive at least one major update, and that’s very frustrating when you are holding one. However I know there are hardware limitations and I am not asking for stuff like NFC or full W8 support, but new startup screen just really isn’t enough. I am still hoping there’s more than this, so let’s wait and see. I happened to be the only one using WP among my friends, I told everyone it’s not perfect, but it’s a great os, now I think I have to shut up before I see myself it’s a sustainable system.
http://twitter.com/counterblow the person

Nokia, you need to pressure Microsoft to include the following features in 7.8:

New UI (we know)
Wallet to support in phone payments, and full NFC Wallet for the 610
IE10 (there is no reason why we can’t have this, and if there is, provide a sound technical reason)
New Maps
Local Scout Enhancements

Microsoft owes this to you, and you owe it to your customers.
http://twitter.com/counterblow the person

Nokia, you need to pressure Microsoft to include the following features in 7.8:

New UI (we know)
Wallet to support in phone payments, and full NFC Wallet for the 610
IE10 (there is no reason why we can’t have this, and if there is, provide a sound technical reason)
New Maps
Local Scout Enhancements

Microsoft owes this to you, and you owe it to your customers.
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Thanks for the feedback, we’ll pass it on to our counterparts there
  - xoj_21
    
    7.8 must get directx and the new kernernel too
http://twitter.com/ovinoo Ovino

i’ve got my lumia 900 for less than a week now and just heard the news it became a legacy device…. Really annoyed about this and thinking about returning the lumia 900 and wait till wp8 gets out..
http://twitter.com/ovinoo Ovino

i’ve got my lumia 900 for less than a week now and just heard the news it became a legacy device…. Really annoyed about this and thinking about returning the lumia 900 and wait till wp8 gets out..
- http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney
  
  We’re committed to a regular programme of updates. Your Lumia 900 will still be fantastic years from now.
  - http://twitter.com/ondraster Ondra Moravek
    
    No, it will not. It will not be able to run the latest games once WP8 comes out, because every port will be in native code, which is not happening on 7.8.
    I also got, as a developer, free Lumia 800 for developing. But guess what – I can’t develop any native application on the phone! At least that I didn’t have to pay for the phone.
    - http://twitter.com/ovinoo Ovino
      
      I just made up my mind and will return my lumia 900. I just can ‘t believe that after owning this device for less than a week its already obsolete.. even with its update to 7.8.
      
      I will sit this one out till wp8 and will use my ‘switched’ iphone 4s in the meanwhile.
      - http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
        
        Hi Ovino, your Lumia 900 is not obsolete. There are some features that will not be available on existing Windows Phone 7.5 devices, but those are most hardware dependent. There are still so many new features, apps and games to come, along with some of the Windows Phone 8 features like the new start screen.
      - http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
        
        Stop the lies Dinesh. Microsoft only said it was the start screen and customization. That is all Windows Mobile 7.8 is getting. If there was more they would have called it Windows 8 lite. Background skype is not coming nor is a proper IM client that can stay alive in the background. Nor will it have turn by turn in the background. It just isn’t going to happen. Stop getting peoples hopes up.
      - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
        
        and then the WP8 will not be compatible with WP9. Who knows.
    - C38S
      
      How long does it take to develop a new title? The WP8 dev tools aren’t out yet. Any new titles in the pipeline will be developed for both platforms for a while yet.
  - http://twitter.com/mdtauk martin anderson
    
    Could you say if this is for Nokia devices only, or will all current Windows Phone devices receive updates and new features.
    - http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
      
      Hi Martin, I’m with Nokia. We can only speak for Nokia Lumia smartphones, and we know that Lumia users are in for a whole bunch of new features, apps and updates.
  - enyibinakata
    
    Ian, I have to give you guys credit for remaining open to users opinions and concerns. I guess this level of openness is one of the few things that your swashbuckling CEO is yet to wield his axe against.
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  You should go return it
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson
    
    I’ll regret this for the years to come.
- Bryce Godfrey
  
  Use it for a few more weeks then return it a few days before the 30 day mark. There is no reason to keep this phone now, and you’ll regret keeping it once WP8 drops and we start to see app fragmentation.
Ismael Estalayo

When are you going to start selling new nokia phones with windows phone 8 (more or less)?

Because I don’t know if I should wait until november and buy the new phone with a new contract on movistar, or buy now the lumia 710 (for my birthday) and change of contract on november. I have this doubt because I’m very very impatient, and I’ve wait a lot for my birthday to have the 710. :S
http://www.facebook.com/thorsten.hindermann Thorsten Hindermann

It’s a shame for Microsoft that current phones runs with WP7 are not WP8 ready. And the 7.8 update gives us only the new start screen… not more???? WTF… and what a shame. Shame over you Microsoft and Nokia that you don’t think on us current Windows Phone users. Look at Apple. I by my iPod 3rd Generation and have iOS-Update from 3.1 to 5.1.1 – 3 major releases!!!!! And you??? A few minor releases. Please make WP8 available on Lumia 710, 800 and 900!!!!
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  Hi Thorsten, as of today, we know that the new start screen will come to the existing Lumia 7.5 phones, but we’re waiting to hear more. But it’s not just that – there are many more new features and apps to come from Nokia for Lumia smartphones – like Camera Extras, and games from Zynga.
http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel

Yea way to jump from one burning platform to another in WP 7.5. No wonder your stock price is about 3 bucks. I can’t believe I bought into the hype that was Windows Phone. Maybe come April next year I can get the new iPhone on an early upgrade. This platform and current Nokia phones are as dead as Meego and Symbian,
http://www.facebook.com/alexey.meshkov Alexey Meshkov

Apple will deliver iOS6 to iPhone 3GS which was released in 2009. Microsoft and Nokia can’t do the same with Lumia 800( and even Lumia 900 ) after less than one year. What a shame!
- MuhsSalah
  
  u r not really that smart ,the ios 6 of 3gs compared to ios 6 on 4s is alot less than wp 7.8 compared to wp8.
  unless u want microsoft treat u like a dumb as apple does and tell u they r the same ?!
- http://twitter.com/_i3d Brian
  
  but it will be lacking a lot of the features that only iphone 4s people will get.. no siri, no turn by turn directions, etc
- C38S
  
  There is a table around of features of iOS6 that will go to each model and the 3GS isn’t getting much, the iphone 4 is going to miss the major parts of the update even (most of the functional parts of the mapping!). Their newest phone is the only one getting all the features.
  It’s just in the name! Would a rose by any other name smell just as sweet?
  - http://www.facebook.com/alexey.meshkov Alexey Meshkov
    
    Right, not all features of new iOS will be supported in old devices and it’s ok. But it will be the one vesion of OS for all devices with an identical kernel and identical API. So it’s possible to make applications for a newest devices which will work on old devices if don’t use some specific functionality( and most apps don’t need it ).
    I’m a software developer and I worked on some projects for Windows Phone 7 and iOS so I can compare. I can use my old iPod Touch 3G for development for iOS5 but will not be able to use my Lumia 800 for Windows Phone 8.
http://twitter.com/Pauloaspo Paulo

The truth, is no one else will buy a NOKIA 900 …. NOKIA launch a smartphone like this, knowing in first hand wouldn’t take the WP8 update….. HTC and Samsung have stopped launching new products some time ago because WP8 update issue .. .what a shame, NOKIA!!!
zephyr king

Hang on … aren’t people over reacting a little here. If you’re exisitng lumia phone was updated…just what do you expect to do? Automoatically have NFC, mulitcore support and better resolution?…duh of course not. It’s already been stated that the [non new hardware depentent] software components will be available to existing users. What’s wrong with that? What’s the point in having an upgrade with stuff you can’t use anyway.
- http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
  
  I dont give a shit about the NFC and stuff. What I care about is the apps and true multi tasking experience. You know how bad the multi tasking in mango phones are!
  
  one more thing. starting from now. the dev will be working on the apps for WP8 only. Hey dont tell me the apps will still be added to the WP7.8 market place. hahaha. it’s a joke! they just want the current Mango user to not be worried. The reality is no less apps will be developed for this dying platform. trust me. once they WP8 devices are out the current lumia phone will be more left out. no new good apps and shit. just wait and see if.
  
  I’m switching to another platform. sick of this game by microsoft. Now nokia you said you dont need multicore support for a great device like Lumia phone. Does great device cannot be upgraded to the latest OS? eat your own words Nokia!
  - http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
    
    Please note that apps that do not rely on new hardware features will be available to run both Windows Phone 7.5/7.8/8, so developers will be able to write the same apps across the different iterations.
    - snoflake
      
      But they won’t, they’ll want to write them to use all the sparkly new features and API’s available only to WP8 – so curtains for current Lumia owners,
http://twitter.com/Pauloaspo Paulo

Because is a flagship phone that cost 600€ ….not a few bucks…..this is the reason why all owners are piss off.
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  exactly
  - mcjw
    
    Really, is it really more expensive than the 808?
    
    If it’s what people really paid, perhaps Nokia can do a 200€ credit refund (for apps or a WP8 Lumia, not cash) like the original iPhone. And if you paid 450€, only 50€ refund for you, etc. depends on sale price.
    
    The only valid complaints for Lumia 710/800/900 owners are features like Bitlocker and DirectX games. All other things are hardware specs you bought in to from day one.
    
    This is one way Nokia can appease customers and not lose a lot of money or goodwill.
http://twitter.com/miggyequalsrad Miguel J. Aguilar

Just fix my MMS, so I won’t be getting errors. Fix my GPS, so I won’t be in Akron, Ohio, (I live in California). I hope we get the updated XBOX Music. Fix my camera, fix it so it’ll look cleaner and less grainy. I’ll be happy with the updated VoIP features as well. Come on, NOKIA. You can make it possible. NFC and all that other crap is fine without me. Just hook a brotha up!
http://www.facebook.com/coolypf Pengfei Yuan

F_cking 7.8
Ismael

They should of just called 7.8 Windows 8 lite and we wouldn’t have this mess. MS should of treated users like Apple treats their users… Tell them they are getting the same OS as a new iPhone. It’s like Siri, which works on all iPhones, but Apple doesn’t allow it. In my mind, that’s worse. I’m a lumia 900 owner and will be in line for a W8. Bring it! :)
droopyar

Jaja how funny, the article says that WP7.5 is NOT updated to WP8. Just like a value pack like the samsung version, totally USELESS. So, DO NOT buy a Lumia that will NOT be upgrade it. Windowsphone is totally useless environment, no sales worldwide. I still do not understand why Elop and Nokia are focus on the lowest market share brand, when they have symbian belle and new 808 PureView brand which is much better.
droopyar

No updates for it. Do not buy Lumia
http://www.facebook.com/hight.kyawsaw Hight Kyawsaw

nokai is good but we need nokai system for burmese font

thank
http://www.facebook.com/hight.kyawsaw Hight Kyawsaw

plase make me for burmese font
http://3DMee.com ShinyPixels

As great as this many markets don’t even have the lumia 900 yet. What is Nokia’s problem? Why can Samsung push a phone into 100+ countries in a month and Nokia needs a whole year to release 1 phone? IF HTC stepped up their game Nokia will struggle even more not because the 900 is bad (it’s quite good) but because Nokia is ‘lazy’.
- droopyar
  
  i am waiting Nokia 808 PureView in south america. Hope nokia offer it worldwide
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1080924312 Roselyn Chrisp

you need to be able to make the msg screen bigger so people that have to wear glasses can read it with ease
http://www.facebook.com/martin.adhie Martin Adhie

Probably need another round of Lumia Challenge contest for WP8 :)
foshimoto

The Lumia 800 was my last chance to Nokia. I did my part and supported Nokia and WP. Now I give up. Who will buy Lumias knowing that it can’t be upgraded to 8.0? I still remember Stephen Elop saying that mobiles don’t need multi-core processors to run WP, and now, WP 8 will only work in more advanced hardware (dual core?). I fully regret having bought it! I should have bought an iphone instead. Microsoft and Nokia, you deserve each other.
- droopyar
  
  Problem is Elop. And not supporting the best selling OS which is symbian
- http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
  
  yeah. you are exactly similar like me. I’ve always been a fan of nokia but I just hated the Symbian OS. when the Lumia is out, I give it a try and I loved it actually. but knowing it could not be updated really piss me off. so enough of nokia for me. I’ve been a loyal fan and this is what I get. shame on you Nokia.
- http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
  
  @foshimoto:disqus , thanks for the feedback! New hardware will always be more advanced than the previous versions, that’s just the way it goes. I hope you’ll feel disappointed when you start getting the updates on your Lumia 800. You’ll be able to get WP8 features like the start screen and a visual refresh, along with lots of new apps and functionalities. We intend to keep your device fresh and updated also in the future.
  - foshimoto
    
    The problem is that Lumia 800 was launched in Brazil in late March 2012, and now, 3 months later, I know this will be called a legacy product. I really can not remember a product with a so short announced life. This new standard of product life is new for me, totally unacceptable (at least for me!), not to say a disrespect with the loyalty customers. Yes, I bought It in the launch day here. I really really can not imagine how can I feel happy with this situation.
  - http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
    
    There will not be new functionality. This is pure PR spin. Microsoft said 7.8 will be the start screen and customization. That is it. Adding your own apps is not adding functionality like VoIP and proper IM running in the background. Instead of a Finnish Company you should be Dutch. One leak springs in the levy and you have to stick another finger in the next leak.
Kookootz

What about Hebrew support for Lumia 800? Have been hoping the upgrade to WP8 will resolve that but not sure what to think now…
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=771878842 Keith Harrison

Need to provide a very good discount to existing WP7.5 customers to change over. Don’t screw us again!!
- droopyar
  
  Lumia is now free on USA, as sales are not good, Nokia was forced to offer it FREE. Stockholders are happy about this….
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=771878842 Keith Harrison
    
    Not in USA and didn’t get for free, bought first day available – that’s what give me the sh#ts!
Sentinel24

Don’t insult our intelligence Nokia. This was a burn. How could you launch a premium device just a few months before this was announced, knowing that it couldn’t be updated to WP8?

Why didn’t you at least build it to be future proof? I can understand releasing something like the 610 but the 900? 3 months and now your customers are left to fend for themselves with only a new Start experience? This from Nokia, a company that was one of the first to champion NFC. You even made a freaking 610 with your own NFC stack and you couldn’t do it for your flagship or the 800?

For the first time since getting an N97 mini, I can’t begin to express how disappointed I am.

I do hope that Nokia gets back to winning ways, moving to Windows Phone was one of the best moves ever made by an organization of your size and stature, but somehow after this… I don’t think you guys deserve to.
- http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
  
  well said. I’m with you :)
- http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
  
  Hi @Sentinel24:disqus , thanks for your feedback. Please note that your current phone will indeed receive an update with new Windows Phone 8 features, including the new start screen and a great visual refresh. It will also receive a pattern of updates from Nokia that will deliver new features. The only new features you won’t be able to receive are HW-dependent, like multi-core processors & NFC.
  - http://twitter.com/neat_nate Nathan
    
    I’d have to disagree. What about when the app ecosystem dries up within a year when developers catch up with WP8? My new Lumia is already a paper weight after having it for a month. My 3 year old iPhone 3GS is still capable of upgrades from Apple. I’ve owned over a dozen Nokias, and this will be my last. The fact that no one was forward thinking enough to future proof it is sad.
    - http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
      
      Apps that don’t rely on new HW features will be available to run both WP8, WP7.8 and WP7.5.
      - judazuk
        
        not if it require native code support, and a new kernel, that current Lumias are not getting.
      - Suresh Chamuah
        
        How made Editor in Chief…. if kernel is diff how app can support both wp 8 and wp7. Illiterate people on-board
      - xoj_21
        
        Do not lie they will not run
  - http://twitter.com/neat_nate Nathan
    
    I’d have to disagree. What about when the app ecosystem dries up within a year when developers catch up with WP8? My new Lumia is already a paper weight after having it for a month. My 3 year old iPhone 3GS is still capable of upgrades from Apple. I’ve owned over a dozen Nokias, and this will be my last. The fact that no one was forward thinking enough to future proof it is sad.
  - jub3
    
    “new start screen and a great visual refresh” ..sorry Heidi, but that hardly ticks the box. The only way the situation can be saved is to write a new blog post, in which you (not personally though) 1.) apologize 2.) clarify IN DETAIL what are the current flagship owners going to be short from WP8, 3.) depending on the shortcomings listed in point #2, give a cash back offer to current device owners once the WP8 devices are in the market.
    Yesterday’s event showed the complete disrespect towards the current flagship device owner base.
  - judazuk
    
    So will there be Skype integration, BitLocker encryption, IE10 with smartscreen anti-phishing, support for native code, better multitasking, can location based apps like navigation run in the background, The Wallet, new Bluetooth profiles, real contact transfer support, VPN connection, IPv6, the new kernel (no we wont i know this already)
    
    or is all we getting the new startscreen that I could care less about (oooh MS have added one new tile size .. yeah ..so?) and some updates to old apps, and some photo stuff, that most apps in existence already can do. And DNLA? Well PlayTo has been out for a while now, it’s not new, it’s just leaving it’s beta status.
    
    non of these above require higher resolution screens or dual core or SD cards. Why not put Windows Phone 8 on current devices??
    
    I can run Windows 7 on a single core PC, even if it also supports dual core CPU’s, I don’t have to be stuck on buggy Vista, same applies here.
    Just because an OS get support for new hardware, does not mean you have to have that hardware to use the new OS
    
    What will be included in Windows 7.8 , and what will we be missing out on?
    
    Just bought a Lumia 800 , agree with ‘jub3′ it showes the complete disrespect towards the current flagship device owner base.
    
    And you don’t even have a new phone to sell … all you have now is the Lumia 900 and 800 and why buy that when you know that it’s already outdated and abandoned.
    - http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
      
      We’ll share more information about the content of WP7.8 closer to availability. We absolutely want to make sure that the current Lumia devices stay fresh and updated; they will receive a pattern of updates from Nokia that will deliver new features like wifi tethering, flip-to-silence and media content streaming. Nokia is also introducing new applications like Camera Extras exclusively for our Lumia range, games coming from Zynga, as well as updates to Drive and other signature experiences.
      - snoflake
        
        Tethering and flip are part of the (already chronically late) MS Tango refresh from the beginning of this year and nothing to do with ongoing support after 7.8
      - xoj_21
        
        Well it matter cuz they won’t be able to run wp8 apps making windows phone 7as dead as maemo
      - judazuk
        
        I hope you are going to share some real info about WP 7.8 soon.
        
        a new start screen with the only major change being one new tile size, , its hardly even interesting.
        
        Its the OS features that are of interest ..not some minor GUI update that makes no difference at all really.
        
        Some camera app doing almost exactly what existing camera application does already..
        
        updated Drive, that would be updated anyway regardless if WP8 existed or not (since Symbian v Drive still is superior)
        
        and some games from Zynga that are not even popular anymore (ex draw something started loosing users over a month ago because users have moved on to other stuff)
        
        its hardly any form of compensation if features, above in my last post, will not come.
        
        “new features like wifi tethering, flip-to-silence and media content streaming”
        
        these are not new features really.
        
        WiFi tethering already exists on Lumia 900 and 610, and should have been out months ago on the other Lumias. Flip to silence, the old Symbian feature that has bee narounf for years, and I dont know a single person that ever used? New for WP maybe .. and meeh who cares. and media content Streaming ..you mean PlayTo that has been out for months in beta for WP, Builtin to MeeGo , and existing for a long while on Symbian?
        
        Where is the news?
  - judazuk
    
    “The only new features you won’t be able to receive are HW-dependent, like multi-core processors & NFC” .. .really now .. so we will get a new kernel, even though everyone say it be the same old CE kernel? Or is the sentence above just not true.
    - xoj_21
      
      No you will not 7.8 wont bring able to run wp8 apps
  - http://www.facebook.com/dmitry.pokrovsky.5 Dmitry Pokrovsky
    
    Hi Heidi,
    I specifically intreseted in the seeamless integartion between WP7.8 and W8. I mean without Zune. Is it a planned piece of the update? And what about separate volume controls and custom sounds?
    - http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
      
      At this stage I don’t have detailed information like this, sorry. We’ll share more specs as soon as we can.
  - Sentinel24
    
    I understand ma’am. I’m merely questioning the morality of launching the Lumia 900 (which I don’t own) under the circumstances.
    
    It would help greatly if Nokia could somehow make it up specifically to 900 owners. You guys need to succeed in the US and if things are left as they are, the high regard with which your company has always been held will whither and die. You can’t afford that, don’t let it happen.
    
    Canada is important too. If nothing comes their way, they’ll feel doubly betrayed. :)
    
    Also, given what we now know, why bother releasing it in markets like India? Those who are aware of what’s happening will stay well clear and those who don’t will get saddled with a device that’s weeks away from irrelevance. Does that seem fair?
  - Suresh Chamuah
    
    What the hell are you talking??? Themes are the part of update you mean to say?? Visual properties mean a BIG ZERO to us. What about future WP8 apps, will it gonna support WP7.X no right. Just simply wasted incentive money on buy this stupid NOKIA lumia 800, hope ur company goes bankrupt
    - http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
      
      Apps built for WP8 will work on previous iterations, unless they’re HW-dependent, like using NFC.
      - snoflake
        
        At the moment this isn’t what Microsoft are saying at all – could you clarify this issue and get either MS or Nokia PR and Technical departments (after 808 US pentaband fiasco) to release clarifying statements. This would seem to be the critical issue (not the addition of Nokia window dressing apps) to prospective Lumia buyers or current recent purchasers like myself considering whether we should try to return our devices or dump them second hand now and get something with a future.
        
        I want official clarification and guarantee that ALL WP8 apps will run on all current Lumia devices (except perhaps L610) including backgrounding of tasks like Skype or Drive with the obvious exception of physical functions our devices were sold without e.g. NFC or FFC etc.
        
        It’s the very least Nokia owes their customers having covered up the fact that new owners devices were going to be so immediately obsolesced.
      - DelphiSharp
        
        It’s wrong apps targeting WP8 and that don’t need new HW, will not work on WP 7.8.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson
        
        Then I want to see Jetpack Joyride, which works on Single Core iPhone 3GS on my Single Core Nokia Lumia 900.
mcjw

Nokia, if you’re reading this, now that you regained removable microSD storage, don’t forget about making the battery swappable, too.

The Lumia 800/900 necessitated a mobile charger, a bulky and inefficient (chemical-electrical-energy energy conversion) solution. Time to bring back the E71/700/2630 style metal cover for removable battery usage model.

Microsoft dropping the 640×480 resolution means no more E71/Blackberry style candybars, but that 1280×720 would look great on a totally refreshed N97 sliding form factor.

It goes without saying Nokia is beefing up WP8 with Symbian usability features like always-on clock, etc., ironing out shortcomings so many Symbian vs WP7.5 comparisons talk about laboriously. Hope these also make it into WP 7.8 to please current customers. Moreover, deep-level camera algorithm optimization for WP8, perhaps >1.75 micron pixel size, sensible 10 megapixel N8 style sensor for low light and action sports, which the 808 doesn’t excel at with its 1.4 micron pixels.

Looking forward to see the fruits of what you’ve been working on since February, perhaps I’ll even buy one!
Budule

Really?????…..I mean REALLY????……my 30 days just ran out YESTERDAY on a Lumina 900……YESTERDAY !!!!…….its the first Smartphone i’ve ever owned, the wife got the Galaxy note but i HAD to get the
Windows phone……I may just pay the penalty and get out of it anyway as i live by a “code” and this damn sure violates it…..takes crappy pictures anyway, i do love the os though……
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  hi Budule, it’s not all doom and gloom. As you say, you love the OS, so that’s good. And there are so many more new features and apps to come. So your Lumia 900 will continue to stay fresh and you’re going to get lots more out of it.
  - Sancio Sancio
    
    What apps? You mean Angry Birds Space? Or Nokia’s “exclusive” EA agreement? You believe they will write anything for our “legacy” 3% marketshare phones without C++ support? We won’t even get Skype in background:(
    - xoj_21
      
      Pretty much windows phone 7 wont get new apps
  - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
    
    care to share what are we getting? dont talk without proof
  - snoflake
    
    Hope he likes it because after 7.8 he’s going to be stuck with it like that for ever. 2014?
mcjw

Nokia,
if you’re reading this, now that you regained removable microSD
storage, don’t forget about making the battery swappable, too.

The Lumia 800/900 necessitated a mobile charger, a bulky and
inefficient (chemical-electrical-chemical energy reconversion) solution.
Time to bring back the E71/700/2630 style metal cover for removable
battery usage model.

Microsoft dropping the 640×480 resolution means no more
E71/Blackberry style candybars, but that 1280×720 would look great on a
totally refreshed N97 sliding form factor.

It goes without saying Nokia is beefing up WP8 with Symbian usability
features like always-on clock, etc., ironing out shortcomings so many
Symbian vs WP7.5 comparisons talk about laboriously. Hope these also
make it into WP 7.8 to satisfy current customers.

Moreover, deep-level camera algorithm optimization for WP8, perhaps
>1.75 micron pixel size, f/1.8 aperture, sensible 10 megapixel N8
style sensor for low light and action sports, which the 808 doesn’t
excel at with its 1.4 micron pixels, will hopefully allow Nokia to
reclaim top spot in camera quality. As it is, the Lumia 800/900 is no
better than the mediocre mass of cameraphones out there. Oversampling
doesn’t make up for tiny crammed pixels, either, so perhaps it’s time
you tried good old fashioned physics (larger pixels) and continue the
path of the N8. If you want a “monster” camera, buy the 1″ sensor from
Sony’s RX100 team, and fit it side-by-side above (vs behind) the screen.

Personally I’d hope for a 3.5″, lanyard-friendly sub-100 gram, NON-GLOSSY MATTE 800×480 AMOLED Clear Black Display, with a 10MP 16:9 camera, >1.75 micron pixel pitch, >f/2.0 fast prime lens, in a 10mm thick body.

Looking forward to see the fruits of what you’ve been working on since February, perhaps I’ll even buy one!
- Stephens_Eloped
  
  Hear, hear! I would love it if Nokia stretched their design muscles again and came up with an amazing E7-type Lumia with a wonderful hardware qwerty keyboard. There IS a market for hw qwerties, manufacturers are just ignoring what the people want! #headinsand
http://twitter.com/weeezes Vesa Hagström

Somehow I believe that the WP8 updates that the WP7.8 update won’t bring are just the hardware support parts. Why would a Lumia 900 need support for multiple cores, when you can’t magically implement one from thin air? I bet the visible updates are coming with WP7.8 as they say, they have no reason to not do it. Updating the hardware support on a mobile device on the other hand doesn’t make any sense, so don’t panic.
- http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam
  
  thanks Vesa.
- jub3
  
  Vesa, you used words like believe and bet, and I think that’s exactly what people are frustrated about. Those are not words one should be using a day after a product is launched.
http://twitter.com/Hdrules Hradayesh Nimavat

Core os features of windows phone 8 have finally matched competition like supporting 720p display resolution,microsd storage support and finally some customization options in terms of new home screen….yeah looks good but then again windows phone 8 will be available in fall so by that time I hope that competitors would not introduce even more advance hardware and also I hope that Nokia won’t disappoint again in terms of end user features which are missing in current Lumia range.
http://twitter.com/dineshatnokia Dinesh Subramaniam

Thanks Wixos. Go show your friends just what you can do with your Lumia 900. They’ll be drooling when you get the new start screen later this year.
- judazuk
  
  drooling maybe because the might be retarded.
  The ought to be if they are impressed by ”now you can have 1 more size of tile then before… ” Amazing. . wow so 3 set sizes to choose from … and?? Should i be impressed now? Why are they not customizable sizes, a fluid design? ,, why 3 locked sizes .. is set values for a size really a hard thing to do? …nope. fluid are more tricky and might impress someone.
Ed_Luva

I like it, but there have been many size and informationally customizable widgets for some time. Ho hum. What WP7.5 SHOULD show is how cool some of the custom designs can be. That’s the side that people don’t know.
- judazuk
  
  custome design… yeah. . dont really care how cool they are .. i want real stuff, not UI fluff.
jub3

I don’t think anyone is asking Nokia to do over-the-air hardware updates on Lumias. What people are frustrated about is the communications (or the lack thereof) with regards to the software side, and to what extent new features, such as the multitasking of mapping software, IE10, etc. are to be implemented in WP7.8, which, by the way, should have been named something completely different to begin with.

Overall, this was a clusterfffffailure of a massive scale in terms of communications related to product launch.
http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov

Hello, fellows.
As other owners of obsolete Lumia 900, I am bit (just a bit) disappointed that Lumia will be upgradable to WP8. I bought it anyway, love this phone. The only thing I worry about is applications. New start screen – good, but it is not critical for me as, for example, Skype running in background. What about VoIP support? Is it hardware dependent (two CPU cores?) or it will be available for WP7.8 as well? Will developers be encouraged by MS to publish applications for WP7.8 as well? Not only given ability, but also encouraged to keep us, old and sad users of something that just a month ago was a top phone from Nokia?
I would expect MS to give another presentation about 7.8 saying what features would be available in it, or Nokia to organise it taking into account how many people decided to trust Nokia despite everything else (I chose Lumia 900 even Galaxy SIII was available for me to choose). So, does Nokia have any plans to make Lumia owners happy in some way?
And I am looking forward for the counter application, this is the only thing I was moaning about (and Skype) since I moved from Android platform. I do hope it will track minutes AND data traffic.
Many thanks,
Rustam.
- http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
  
  exactly!
  
  WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE UPDATE IN WP7.8!!!!
  - Sancio Sancio
    
    It’s Microsoft and Nokia. If they didn’t say anything more, then there is nothing more.
- jub3
  
  Spot on, Rustam.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson
  
  But… WhatsApp and KIK run in the background. And the Live TIle is updated. The lazy developers at the mighty Skype office can’t do something a smaller app developer can do.
felipe olguera jr

They launched Lumia, im so happy and bought Lumia 800, and just a few weeks ago they launched Windows Phone 8 which my phone cant be updated to!! 7.8?? whats that?? left over? now in just a few weeks my new phone got obsolete, darn, and here in the Philippines we don’t have XBOX Live games, what a shame for these phones.
http://twitter.com/travelman30 ronald trahan

everytime a company goes thru changes to be better there are always adviser out there saying the end is coming, because a company has to lay off 10000 worker of a 130000 work force does not mean closing down.Stock prices fall because people listen to chicken little. the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Yet the rich get richer.
- judazuk
  
  yes and an CEO that does not learn from past mistakes, will continue to do mistakes
Alan Liang

LOL! See? You abandoned SymbianMeegoQTMeamo and this is your punishment.————The best wishes from Chinese Symbian fans.
http://www.facebook.com/Gurum7 Gourav Soni

despite of carrying gr8 features, owners of N900
are not satisfied with the upcoming upgrade path(win8 or just win7.8).
in this i am with N900 owners. Nokia should provide upgrade to win8,
anyhow.
i was a fan of Nokia & symbian. but now even basic range of Nokia
getting head to head competition with Samsung. they are lost in the
woods. and partnership with MS is just unsatisfactory. whatever shit MS
does now will affect NOKIA. and NOKIA just cant do anything for that.
they are helpless.
they should have concentrated on in house OS. Meego OS is a BOMB.
Meltemi could have supplied some Oxygen to Nokia’s dying (Samsung’s
feature rich mobiles killing them) low and mid range mobiles.
Samsung is playing well. they are focused. they understood the
importance of a super OS like Meego and working on TIZEN. TIZEN going to
Rock and Lift Samsung way above NOKIA.
Nokia, Do something or in some years we are going to see you getting Bankrupt & Dead.
http://www.facebook.com/Gurum7 Gourav Soni

despite of carrying gr8 features, owners of N900
are not satisfied with the upcoming upgrade path(win8 or just win7.8).
in this i am with N900 owners. Nokia should provide upgrade to win8,
anyhow.
i was a fan of Nokia & symbian. but now even basic range of Nokia
getting head to head competition with Samsung. they are lost in the
woods. and partnership with MS is just unsatisfactory. whatever shit MS
does now will affect NOKIA. and NOKIA just cant do anything for that.
they are helpless.
they should have concentrated on in house OS. Meego OS is a BOMB.
Meltemi could have supplied some Oxygen to Nokia’s dying (Samsung’s
feature rich mobiles killing them) low and mid range mobiles.
Samsung is playing well. they are focused. they understood the
importance of a super OS like Meego and working on TIZEN. TIZEN going to
Rock and Lift Samsung way above NOKIA.
Nokia, Do something or in some years we are going to see you getting Bankrupt & Dead.
- judazuk
  
  N900 ? That runs Maemo it can not run Windows “any version”…
http://profile.yahoo.com/2JKQYTQB62P7J6AJSEN5TUOA24 Timothy

It is hard for me to sympathize to a certain extent with all the negative comments. I was an android user for a several years before switching over to the Lumia line. I have learned coming from android that you buy the phone because of what it is when you buy it, not what you hope will happen to it. If you liked the phone when you purchased it and it serves you well, whatever the company is willing to give you in upgrades is icing. I love my phone the way it is.
- Stephens_Eloped
  
  Can’t agree with you more. While it is a little frustrating for new owners of a Lumia 900, these days in 2012, you can’t expect the hardware you buy today to be able to deal with the software updates of the future, it just doesn’t work like that. And yes, WP7.5 *IS* getting updated with some of the most important features of WP8. But if you had a PC bought in 1999 running Windows 98, you might expect it to run XP in 2001, but certainly not Vista or W7. You have to upgrade the hardware, that is what it is like in the tech world, it moves too quickly. That’s why I *always* buy unlocked phones without a contract. I can upgrade whenever I like, and to be honest, that’s around every 9 months anyway because I always want the next best thing! :P (why I’m so broke probably!) If I was a new Lumia 900 customer today, I would not be annoyed because those new WP8 devices won’t be shipping until around Christmas time anyway (realistically) and so I’d get to enjoy it for about 7 months. More than enough time for me, before thinking “ok, what’s next?” Except that I own a Nokia N9, so I probably won’t be thinking “what’s next” for a long time yet! :)
  - judazuk
    
    ”
    And yes, WP7.5 *IS* getting updated with some of the most important features of WP8″
    
    Really? Name ONE important feature it will get . The starts screen is some cosmetic pointless fluff, and hardly even a requested feature.
Mitch_G

The smartphone beta test is finally over! All the frustrations you had with our older phones have been worth it and gone into our new WP8. I mean you didn’t think all those Lumia phone were real? Did you? Yes? Ohhh no no no….hmm No. Thank you all Lumia WP 7.5 beta tester!

Watch “Smartphone Beta Test is Over” on Youtube to understand how ironic that move of Microsoft is ;-)
- snoflake
  
  LOL and yet we’re the mugs well I am. And Nokia want us to trust them again haha. N97, C7 (symbian EOL’d died overnight Feb11) and now this. Yeah definitely Nokia is a better value proposition than Apple or Samsung – for Microsoft.
http://twitter.com/gavinroz Gävin Røzzí

I bought a Lumia 710 on launch day, specifically because as a Nokia WP I was expecting support. This is horrible customer service. How could you EOL the Lumia 900 with a crappy 7.8 update that just adds new “windows” to a broken, falling apart house. Thanks, Nokia. You’ve made my next smartphone purchase easier. Hello, Android. Android users may not get as many updates, but at least they have the CHOICE to root/ROM. I guess the smartphone beta test is finally over…
- droopyar
  
  Move to symbian :)
Budule

I’m going back to AT& t this morning and find out what it’s gona cost me to get rid of this 32 day old phone……and i really dont care, cause at this point i cant even stand to look at it, i’ve been strutting this thing around at work for the last 30 days showing it off and now i look like a total jackass….(an area in which i need NO assistance as i do that just fine by myself) anyways, i guess you got me….i fell for it, the hype worked, bought the “Flagship” only to find out it was a “sinkingship” instead………but you can etch this in stone: I would rather use 2 can’s and a string before i would put anything from Nokia/MS to my head again…..i just simply wont use it, it’s “principle” to me….still have my old flip phone and i’ll use that, put the Lumina 900 in a drawer for the next 728 days………IF and only If they offer some kind of hefty discount on wp8 to us “fools” who bought tickets on the Titanic will i consider getting another one………man, this is worse than marring the wrong twin……
- judazuk
  
  ha ha love the edit .. and I can only agree
http://www.facebook.com/rcanto82 Rodrigo Canto

Será que estas novas versões vão resolver a síndrome do Bluetooth de iPhone?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=771878842 Keith Harrison

People are frustrated as wp7.5 was suppose to be the part to wp8, now it is not. If I upgrade to WP8 technology how long will it be before obsolete, will it have an upgrade path?? Just creates more questions than answers. Paying $900 for a top range phone every 12 months in NOT acceptable. This is NOT customer service or support.
maytrix1

For those complaining, who recently got a lumia phone, did the phone not do what you wanted when you bought it? Does it do any less than it did when you bought it?

So it won’t have WP8. It will still work and get updates and be just as good (actually better) than when you bought it. Enjoy it and when you are due for an upgrade, get a new one.

iPhone and Android are not better. Sure, iPhone does get upgrades, but they slow the older models down and you get no choice with an iPhone. android is hit or miss with updates and slow and not nearly as good as WP.

Stop reacting so much to the news and enjoy what you have, because its still an awesome phone.
Prasenjit Bist

“ IN SIMPLE SHORT WORDS AWESOME, MSFT HAS DELIVERED NOW U DO NOKIA”.

How funny it is there was atym when 1 ghz cpu was silly i am talkin of n8 and n95 and even before days and now ppl put quadcore. as the crowd wants nokia put a dualcore but a quadcore please no u guys show the maturity.

also happy to know abt apps for 7.5 OS…. finally stop cribbing… som eguys are behaving as if there iphone 3g can run all 4s software no not the hardware dependent ones same is the story with android and same here with windows….. are u guys hoping nokia to do some vodoo and grow another core in the lumia 900/800 LOL.

but knowing the lazy nokia will nokia bring these devices in max 2months from now or it will be an eternal wait.
- judazuk
  
  damn you autocorrect ?
Ismael Estalayo

I think that the differences between windows 8 and 7.8 aren’t so big to be so angry, because you’ll have the same start screen, and updates for your apps, and the marketplace will continue growing, because the application for WP8 will be able for WP7.8 except when they need NFC or some hardware that you don’t have
- xoj_21
  
  Thats not true windows phone 8 apps wont run on wp7
- judazuk
  
  The new startscreen is nothing ..it’s the least exiting annoncment about windows 8. Who cares about 3 diffrent size tiles and some new colours really..? What is importatnt is Encryption, VPN, Skype integration, Language support, additional Bluetooth profiles, run positioning apps in background, a new core in the OS, better MMS support, real contacts transfer rSAP, running native code, and tons of other stuff
  
  right now Windows Phgone cant even take a screen shot ..
  
  What will WP7.8 bring? … if the new startscreen and some updated old apps is all…its a huge let down.
http://profile.yahoo.com/N3ZIOU4C3UST4LRHQB774CQK2Y ch1

for people who don’t understand the disappointments. it’s not the fancy functions that we current lumia users are asking, but an experience. my girlfriend’s iphone 3gs is over 2 years old, the phone is a bit slow and don’t have anything apple is now advertising about, but it still runs the latest core, even the upcoming ios6. that means whatever I find on the app store, I can run it, though it’s not butter smooth, that’s an experience, and that’s why she said she will buy nothing but an iphone. now I have my lumia 900 less than a month old, and the apps I can put my hands on? that’s about it because it’s been said that wp8 apps will NOT run on WP7 handsets. yes I am loving my phone right now, and one of the reason is because I can explore new things with it, and that relies on many apps, once I see the market full of awesome apps that I can’t even download, I don’t see any reason I still enjoy it as a “smart”phone.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson
  
  Apple does succeed here. That iPhone 3GS can run Jetpack Joyride with one core. The Nokia Lumia 900 can’t.
droopyar

WP7.8 is USELESS, it is like a value pack, so customers do not complain. really do not buy lumia phones.
droopyar

Lumia is a very obsolete OS, no background process, and not compatible with WP8. So , do not buy it. Move to symbian, android or iphone.
JasonBoss

Where are the Finish authorities?

They should raid Nokia HQ by now. Closing factories in Finland and Germany, wiping out the stock value, replacing Nokia employees with MS drones, laying off 10,000 people who built this brand, making itself completely dependent on one software vendor from Redmond.

National icon is being destroyed in persistent and systematic way.
xoj_21

Useless when u can’t sell the old phones because they would not be able the run the new apps.
Nokia now huge stock of lumia oso they would not be able to sell.
http://twitter.com/capricotwi04 Caprico

I’m just wondering: What now Nokia? Mr. Elop killed MeeGo, Meltemi and Symbian – and now WP7.5 is kinda dead too. Of course WP promoters don’t wanna see it this way, but for the typical consumer this is a no go. For those who don’t want to believe it: Medias and people are already talking about it negatively since the announcement yesterday. Right now even the abandoned Nokia N9 feels better supported.

Fact is that Nokia has right now no phone to offer which has a secured future. People are expecting updates and improvements and not just design overhauls. The decision to make WP8 and WP7.8 separate was IMO not so bad, but how it was announced and the way its marketed was like Microsoft is badly cheating on Nokia.

I still hope the best for Nokia, but now they are on a dead end road if they want to stay the kind of company they used to be.
http://profile.yahoo.com/RGHLTV4TU3BSVNFW4GNNOS7UCE Joseph

Yeah, I have a 3-year old iPhone 3GS. Upgraded to the latest version of iOS 5. Still runs. But it takes me 2 minutes to launch an app, especially RedBox. It takes 5 seconds to switch between screens. Yup, the phone still works.
http://profile.yahoo.com/RGHLTV4TU3BSVNFW4GNNOS7UCE Joseph

My iPhone 3GS on iOS 5 doesn’t run Siri. I don’t have Retina Display. Why couldn’t Apple deliver that in its OS?
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  Nobody’s complaining about not having those hardwares. But soon the end of support for the OS.
http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov

Hello again, fellows.

Just came to me: how WP8 anouncement will affect sales of current Lumia phones? Is anyone going to buy now Lumia 800/900 (that are not cheap phones) knowing they can’t be upgraded to WP8!? Does it mean almost complete stagnation in sales for Nokia until WP8 comes? As far as I know, Nokia needs to ramp up sales and latest news didn’t make it easier…

Cheers,Rustam.
- Jack Santtion
  
  WP8 it’s just too much for those phones. Anyway there will be more updates for WP7. They will have more apps, etc. iOS 5 works better in 4S than 4.
  - http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov
    
    Hello, Jack.
    Thanks! However, let me disagree. My wife used to have iPhone4 and I didn’t see any significant differences of responsivness, time to launch applications etc compared with my friend’s iPhone4s.
    Also, I bought Lumia 900 less than a month ago. I thought I was buying a flagship phone that I would be able to enjoy during my 2 years contract (expensive one) and I hoped it would enjoy it duirng these years. However, it looks that I will not. Once again, no clear indication whether Skype would work in background, whether VoIP would be supported, whether IE10 would be on WP7.8 and so on. I will wait, of course, but now I do not have any warm feelings towards Nokia.
    I would accept the fact that Lumia is not upgradable if I had been given any indication about it either from Nokia or from Microsoft. But I had nothing.
    Cheers,
    Rustam.
http://profile.yahoo.com/RGHLTV4TU3BSVNFW4GNNOS7UCE Joseph

But why would they want to do that? It’s the same with Android phones. If a developer wants his app to have the maximum exposure. He will limit the API usage to be as broad as possible. Why would a developer target only W8 if he could target all versions of Windows Phone?
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  Right, but any developer wants to develop cool, new features will soon notice that old API does not give them what they want to do. The result? They segregate the developments. Now 1 year from now your phone will continue to work, but you are USD $600 cash short, or 10 more month contracts to go, and your phone does not have the same facebook experience like your newer brothers.
- http://dliao.org dliao
  
  In the mean time Nokia gives you “app experience” of a new camera app, music app, and some map app.
- judazuk
  
  because “all versions of Windows Phone” are not that many to care about.. With Android its a totally different ball game.
perecFX

news from germany: german biggest operator wont sell lumia 900 because of no interest to notupgradable phone to WP8. nokia will be dead soon in europe also.
- http://twitter.com/capricotwi04 Caprico
  
  Do you have any source for that? I think Europe was already kinda abandoned with the “burning platform” memo about Symbian and MeeGo which (MeeGo didn’t have the chance to) used to be quiet popular here, at least more than WP.
- http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov
  
  Hello,
  O2 in UK was suspiciously mute about start of selling of Lumia 900. I managed to get it from Carphone Warehouse (Phonehouse in DE) on O2, but Lumia 900 was made unavailable almost after first day of sales. I guess because of the same reason as German O2.
  Cheers,
  Rustam.
perecFX

but when people buy the phone, they expect at least growing application market for their model. now apps dev focus will be primarily on wp8. how would you feel to buy blue ray player with few br discs and then news that br format is deprecated and no new movies for your player.
perecFX

new home screen.thats it. do you wanna more? wp7.5 has not so much features in comparison with other mobile platforms. so u should be happy about ne homescreen :-)
- http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
  
  this is how apple treat consumers.
  
  Current apple flagship phone is iPhone 4S that was launched 8(EIGHT) months ago. iOS 6 is out. iPhone 4S is fully compatible with iOS 6.
  
  this is how microsoft and nokia treat consumers.
  
  current Microsoft and Nokia flagship WP is Nokia Lumia 900 that was launched 3(THREE) months ago. WP8 is out. Lumia 900 is not compatible with WP8.
  
  so consumers. choose wisely. I’m sick of this game by Nokia and Microsoft. Just so you know I own a Lumia 900.
  - Jack Santtion
    
    Do you know that iOS6 is exactly as WP 7.8. The hardware is different. Let me give you an example since last year iPhone 3g couldn’t be updated to iOS5. Wifi tethering was only available for 4S. WP8 includes multi-core processors, havok, FirectX , etc. And one processor isn’t enough.
    - http://twitter.com/adzim_adonis Muhammad Adzim
      
      At least apple announced the latest OS that is compatible with the latest flagship phone! and at least all apps in the apple apps store are available for all models.
      FYI, iPhone 3G is already 4 years old for god sake! we are talking about the phone that has just been launched 3 months ago and cannot be updated to the latest OS.
    - http://twitter.com/capricotwi04 Caprico
      
      Ehmm, iPhone 3G exists since June 2008 and got updates for a couple years. With a lil trick i could even use Wifi thethering on my iPhone3. But I’m not saying that iPhone is a very advanced phone, even the newest ones. But if they do 1 thing right, it’s their updates.
Karl Maria Fattig

Very disappointed in Nokia and Microsoft for dead-ending the Lumia 900 I bought less than 2 months ago. Guess it is time to go back to iOS… I want much more functionality than a new start screen. Why can’t we have skype integration, the better multitasking, wallet (without NFC)? I don’t want dumb Zynga games as a consolation prize. It is NOT too much to expect Nokia and Microsoft to provide substantive, functional improvements to the phone currently being sold as the flagship of the brand.
Karl Maria Fattig

But it’s dead ended. Unlike the latest iphone, which I guarantee you WILL run the next iOS version, and run it well…
Karl Maria Fattig

Baloney. If you buy an iPhone 4s now, it will most definitely run the next iOS version and run it well. It may not have all the functionality, but it won’t be as dead-ended as my less than 2 month old Lumia 900… am I upset? You bet. And without options that don’t cost me a lot of money, as I blew an upgrade on this phone
http://twitter.com/DanielJayWycoco James Wycoco

WOW Exciting! :))
Karl Maria Fattig

There is no proof that any of what you say will happen… none.
Karl Maria Fattig

That’s not enough. Not by a long shot. Zynga games and Lumia exclusives are not going to keep me on this platform. This platform (the one on my Lumia 900) is a burning platform… and you know what comes next…
Karl Maria Fattig

That’s not enough. Not by a long shot. Zynga games and Lumia exclusives are not going to keep me on this platform. This platform (the one on my Lumia 900) is a burning platform… and you know what comes next…
Karl Maria Fattig

You got any specifics to back that up? As of now, we Lumia 900 adopters get some dumb Zynga games and the hyped Start screen…
Karl Maria Fattig

Sadly I don’t love it anymore. I wish I could return it. Go back to using my Samsung Focus and wait til the real Windows Phone comes out with WP8…
Karl Maria Fattig

We want wallet, IE10, Skype integration and better multitasking… not gimicks like Contact Share, dumb Zynga games, and software camera extras that don’t fix the flawed camera…
Karl Maria Fattig

It is a scam. A horrid one. And we had every reason to expect more from your company.
Karl Maria Fattig

We want FUNCTIONALITY, not a dumb visual refresh. The functionalities your folks have mentioned are window dressing. You are rearranging deck chairs on this Titanic of a phone and those of us who have tickets are UPSET. the company needs to do something major to make up for this to all Lumia users.
Karl Maria Fattig

You have no proof that any of this will happen. I have little faith in either of these companies now.
armand beltran

i seriously feel bad for the editors of this article having to reply to angry lumia customers. But as a lumia 900 owner also, i cant help but feel disappointed to, but then again, they mentioned that there are more features other than the start screen, so please nokia keep us posted about that ASAP! i really do appreciate you guys trying to keep our lumias enjoyable for long time. But this is just today, lets see what else you can reveal to us in the future with our “legacy obsolete” phones.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicolas-Urioste-Arnaude/100000348480520 Nicolás Urioste Arnaude

Hi Ian or Heidi, got a very simple question for any of you both…

Keeping in mind that Windows Phone 8 code has easy portability to Windows 8 RT and Windows 8, and that Windows Phone 7.x code has easy portability just to Windows 8 RT; why would a developer create software for the WP7.x platform when they can write it for the WP8 platform (and, thus, make it available to all the Windows ecosystem)?

Without the intent of being rude, please note I figure myself as an intelligent person. That been said, I require either a logical or honest answer. Why do I write honest? Because I think there is no logical answer.

So, I think Nokia should approach things a little bit differently right now. How about creating a trade-in offer for current Lumia customers? “Bring us your Lumia 610/710/800/900 and we’ll give you a special discount/treat on our new Lumia with WP8″. Now that would be gratifying for your customers. That generates loyalty.

Sometimes to win, you have to loose.

PS: Some background information about me: I recently (5 months ago) purchased a Lumia 800 (which I love) and, at one of Nokia’s worst moments in history, bought Nokia stocks (as I greatly believed that with your new vision you were to great things ahead). I still believe in Nokia. I still believe that doing the right and honest thing is the only genuine way to succeed. Cheers.
- http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov
  
  Hello, Nicolas.
  
  It is my personal opinion, but if I were you, I would have sold the Nokia’s shares. Do you expect their sales to go up now? Unless Nokia pulls right now quickly something that can convince customer to stay loyal (like you suggested or 7.8 would be extraordinary update, not only stupid start screen), I do not think that a miracle happens and shares going up. There are some people who believe that Nokia as a company can “die” pretty soon and will become part of MS, but its market value would be close to nil.
  
  Cheers,
  Rustam.
- http://conversations.nokia.com Ian Delaney
  
  It would really depend on the individual developer’s needs and intentions for their app. If they wanted to reach the largest audience of mobile users – which seems like financial good sense, then making it compatible would be the obvious answer.
  - snoflake
    
    Unless of course they want to make use of the many new features inside WP8 and easily reach Windows8 and Windows8RT users (which seems rather/very likely) which because of the different kernels will exclude any compatibility with our legacy (2 week old) devices. This is not the level of continuous app support and availability that Apple and Android provides. Having already burned the users of one ecosystem you’re now leaving another bunch of gullible fools (me) hanging in the wind for two years with abandoned (apart from your token apps) devices that have no update future or capacity for functional expansion. Unlike every other OS. Great so WP7.x has c.100,000 apps and for US that’s no it – compared to the >600k on Apple and >500k on Android it is quite apparent there are many missing/still to come and we are going to get sh*t unless Nokia undertakes to recompile them for us.
    
    Disgraceful – you’ve known this since last year (if not since Feb’11 you’re even more foolish) and yet you’ve wilfully misled customers and when asked directly have shrouded your answers in obscurity. After all how could any purchaser make a fair choice when neither Microsoft nor Nokia would even acknowledge officially the existence of a WP8. Yet following announcement of this previously unconfirmed update we find that devices bought from Nokia this year are going to receive third tier support, receive one more update and no commitment to update anything else for what is likely a remaining 12-18 months of a standard two year ownership period.
    
    You pushed these devices (actually the other manufacturers stopped promoting their WP7 devices this year having taken a more responsible attitude to their customers’ long term well being) you support them adequately. I want the thousand of new apps that you’ve been promising will come to Windows Phone, I don’t want to be looking at them on a mates iPhone (again) or somebody else’s WP8 (if of course you many to sell any having royally screwed another set of customers).
    
    Microsoft seem to feel long term support and update cycles are important (like Apple) even if you do not and that is why I assume they guaranteed a support cycle of greater than 18 months for WP8 devices. I think customers who bought Lumia devices deserve the same consideration, particularly having expressed more faith in your assurances. No one wants a repeat of the effect the N97 had on Nokia’s reputation for customer support and treatment. But by selling your customers so short this is where it’s inexorably headed at the moment.
  - snoflake
    
    Unless of course they want to make use of the many new features inside WP8 and easily reach Windows8 and Windows8RT users (which seems rather/very likely) which because of the different kernels will exclude any compatibility with our legacy (2 week old) devices. This is not the level of continuous app support and availability that Apple and Android provides. Having already burned the users of one ecosystem you’re now leaving another bunch of gullible fools (me) hanging in the wind for two years with abandoned (apart from your token apps) devices that have no update future or capacity for functional expansion. Unlike every other OS. Great so WP7.x has c.100,000 apps and for US that’s no it – compared to the >600k on Apple and >500k on Android it is quite apparent there are many missing/still to come and we are going to get sh*t unless Nokia undertakes to recompile them for us.
    
    Disgraceful – you’ve known this since last year (if not since Feb’11 you’re even more foolish) and yet you’ve wilfully misled customers and when asked directly have shrouded your answers in obscurity. After all how could any purchaser make a fair choice when neither Microsoft nor Nokia would even acknowledge officially the existence of a WP8. Yet following announcement of this previously unconfirmed update we find that devices bought from Nokia this year are going to receive third tier support, receive one more update and no commitment to update anything else for what is likely a remaining 12-18 months of a standard two year ownership period.
    
    You pushed these devices (actually the other manufacturers stopped promoting their WP7 devices this year having taken a more responsible attitude to their customers’ long term well being) you support them adequately. I want the thousand of new apps that you’ve been promising will come to Windows Phone, I don’t want to be looking at them on a mates iPhone (again) or somebody else’s WP8 (if of course you many to sell any having royally screwed another set of customers).
    
    Microsoft seem to feel long term support and update cycles are important (like Apple) even if you do not and that is why I assume they guaranteed a support cycle of greater than 18 months for WP8 devices. I think customers who bought Lumia devices deserve the same consideration, particularly having expressed more faith in your assurances. No one wants a repeat of the effect the N97 had on Nokia’s reputation for customer support and treatment. But by selling your customers so short this is where it’s inexorably headed at the moment.
  - snoflake
    
    Unless of course they want to make use of the many new features inside WP8 and easily reach Windows8 and Windows8RT users (which seems rather/very likely) which because of the different kernels will exclude any compatibility with our legacy (2 week old) devices. This is not the level of continuous app support and availability that Apple and Android provides. Having already burned the users of one ecosystem you’re now leaving another bunch of gullible fools (me) hanging in the wind for two years with abandoned (apart from your token apps) devices that have no update future or capacity for functional expansion. Unlike every other OS. Great so WP7.x has c.100,000 apps and for US that’s no it – compared to the >600k on Apple and >500k on Android it is quite apparent there are many missing/still to come and we are going to get sh*t unless Nokia undertakes to recompile them for us.
    
    Disgraceful – you’ve known this since last year (if not since Feb’11 you’re even more foolish) and yet you’ve wilfully misled customers and when asked directly have shrouded your answers in obscurity. After all how could any purchaser make a fair choice when neither Microsoft nor Nokia would even acknowledge officially the existence of a WP8. Yet following announcement of this previously unconfirmed update we find that devices bought from Nokia this year are going to receive third tier support, receive one more update and no commitment to update anything else for what is likely a remaining 12-18 months of a standard two year ownership period.
    
    You pushed these devices (actually the other manufacturers stopped promoting their WP7 devices this year having taken a more responsible attitude to their customers’ long term well being) you support them adequately. I want the thousand of new apps that you’ve been promising will come to Windows Phone, I don’t want to be looking at them on a mates iPhone (again) or somebody else’s WP8 (if of course you many to sell any having royally screwed another set of customers).
    
    Microsoft seem to feel long term support and update cycles are important (like Apple) even if you do not and that is why I assume they guaranteed a support cycle of greater than 18 months for WP8 devices. I think customers who bought Lumia devices deserve the same consideration, particularly having expressed more faith in your assurances. No one wants a repeat of the effect the N97 had on Nokia’s reputation for customer support and treatment. But by selling your customers so short this is where it’s inexorably headed at the moment.
  - John Kowalski
    
    Applications for WP8 are not compatible with WP7.5. It could be probably easily to make a port to old platform. But it is a big question if developers would spend time for abandoned 1% market platform.
  - mcjw
    
    What are the unit sales on Lumia WP7 devices so far? Because that will be it. You’re not gonna sell another million from now until the time of the WP8 launch, 3 or 4 months from now.
    
    Unless, the current models are liquidated via a Playbook/TouchPad style firesale.
    
    Take the hit Nokia, no amount of public relations is gonna cost you less in the long run. All the enhancements you promise in 7.8 only accentuates the fact that these phones are orphans.
    
    Trust me, I feel that way about all your promises as a Symbian user, and I’m sure most feel that way, too.
    
    Much like Windows 8 upgrade offers running right now, announce an upgrade program for current customers. Slash the Lumia 900/800/710/610 to US$350/$300/$230/$170 respectively, making it clear these are EOL products. Any purchase made within the past 30 days and until the day of WP8 launch are eligible for trade in credit, if you paid more than the firesale prices. For example, if you paid $450 for Lumia 800, you can get $150 ($450-$300) towards any new Lumia WP8.
    
    Nokia is screwed by Microsoft, for the phone team could’ve upgraded the current Lumias to the same Windows RT core, but designed limitations in multitasking, performance, etc. For a core that will be left to rot, no amount of cosmetics will compare with a fresh new core stripped of its frills.
    
    Be bold, Nokia. The water is freezing cold, as you now know from jumping off the burning platform… bob out of it, like a pro. Tarry in the abyss no more.
http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov

Hello, Jack.

Thanks! However, let me disagree. My wife used to have iPhone4 and I didn’t see any significant differences of responsivness, time to launch applications etc compared with my friend’s iPhone4s.
Also, I bought Lumia 900 less than a month ago. I thought I was buying a flagship phone that I would be able to enjoy during my 2 years contract (expensive one) and I hoped it would enjoy it duirng these years. However, it looks that I will not. Once again, no clear indication whether Skype would work in background, whether VoIP would be supported, whether IE10 would be on WP7.8 and so on. I will wait, of course, but now I do not have any warm feelings towards Nokia.
I would accept the fact that Lumia is not upgradable if I had been given any indication about it either from Nokia or from Microsoft. But I had nothing.

Cheers,
Rustam.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000034698621 Sim Gennie

Nokia nor anybody confirmed that WP7 can be upgraded to WP8. I bought my Lumia phone knowing this. Karl if you think Nokia made false advertising, go sue them like Australia did with iPAD and Apple is now required by law to pay nearly 3mil USD for the deliberate ’4G’ tagline LIE. As a doctoral degree discourse student, it is obvious that you are here not to express your distatisfaction on this matter – but your intention is to create discontent among users of Lumia phone.

Rustam – did you read Nokia’s second quarter profit warning? It was obvious that they were aware that this will effect their current Lumia models! They knew what they were getting into! Are you on the opinion that that Nokia should have kept quite for the past few years. Launch no WP phone and only push out WP8 phones this fall with no Lumia brand awareness at all in the entire world so not one mil early adoptors can be happy? This would do better for Nokia shares.

If i am nokia, i would have taken nokia shares private on the cheap and relist them once WP8 models have gained significant market shares.
- http://profiles.google.com/rsadykoff Rustam Sydykov
  
  Hello, Sim.
  
  Good point. I
  don’t disagree with you at all and I agree with you that Nokia didn’t make any
  false promises. But they did not try to clarify situation being directly asked
  about it. As far as I can remember, I sent a question to Nokia support asking
  whether Lumia 900 would be upgradable and got standard answer, something like
  “we are always looking the way to improve users’ experience”. And it
  was just month or month and half ago, surely Nokia know the answer at that
  time.
  
  There was no
  information whatsoever to allow me to make a clear decision. That’s what I am
  shouting about. If I was told about this some time ago, I would stick to my
  former Android phone for a while and buy WP8 later this year. Or I could have
  bought Lumia 900 anyway and swallowed this thing with WP7/8.
  
  And Nokia,
  launching Lumia phones in the UK just on in the middle of May (via Phones4u) or
  CPW (end of may) could have said: listen, folks, we cannot guarantee that Lumia
  phones would be upgradable, however we promise to exchange Lumia 800/900 to new
  phones asking you to pay 30%-50% of new phone. Would it work for everyone?
  Probably not. But it would for me and many others.
  
  Another
  thing: profit warning. If it is issued by Samsung – there are no reasons to
  worry at all. But Nokia… I consider investing own money into Nokia’s shares
  as too risky option. It may work, but you may lose all you money. Why it will
  be Nokia benefiting from WP8 launch, not HTC or Huawai or Samsung? Personally,
  my money is on Samsung :) Samsung didn’t piss off people enticing people to buy
  “flagman WP” just to laugh at them month later that they cannot
  upgrade their phones. Nokia now may just not have enough cash live through this
  time till it will be able to benefit from the success from WP8 phones. Samsung
  didn’t push too hard its WP7 phones, but I am pretty sure they will be trying
  now with WP8 and they will not have disappointed customers.
  
  Anyway, I
  still keep telling my friends and colleagues that Lumia 900 is very good phone.
  I am not moaning about WP8 as such, the only thing that Nokia/MS should do to
  make me happy is to present clear roadmap for WP7 phones, saying what improvements
  will be brought to these phones. That’s it! If I know that IE10 is coming,
  Skype will be working in background, BT stack will be improved, existing
  built-in applications will be refreshed etc I will be really excited. We have
  heard more than enough about non-available to usual customers platform – WP8
  and nothing about WP7.8 except “visual improvements such as new start
  screen and … features that do not require hardware that does not exist in the
  existing phones”. But it is not enough. What if IE10 needs at least 2
  cores from MS point of view? True multitasking requires 2 cores and available
  only in WP8, what if Skype relies on this feature? Are you going to be calm as
  you are now? :) (and why MS keeps talking about Skype and keeps quiet about
  Live Messenger in WP8?) It is just a lack of clarity and communication that
  upset people. I am not going to throw away Lumia 900, will be waiting for 7.8
  (one Russian journalist who said (rightly) that existing phones would not be
  upgradable also said that 7.8 would be coming in October). If new 7.8 does not
  bring all the features I hope it will bring, I will sell Lumia 900, probably
  with a big loss and buy new WP8 phone, but I swear it will be one from Samsung
  :) Forever!
  
  Well, here is
  a lengthy and silly comment from me :)
  
  Cheers,
  Rustam.
- http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
  
  @facebook-100000034698621:disqus ”
  Launch no WP phone and only push out WP8 phones this fall with no Lumia brand awareness”The Lumia brand and Nokia has been tarnished by Microsoft’s inability to flash a freakin phone from scratch.
snoflake

Seriously Nokia needs to make an unequivocal clarifying statement and commitment concerning the ability of current Lumia devices to run apps written for WP8. My understanding is that they won’t be available to run for WP7.x owners (losers) but that apps written to WP7.x will run under WP8.x – this is not the same sort of thing to do. In reality app development for the “legacy” devices (never have I bought a new device that became legacy equipment in 2 weeks – 2 years maybe but 2 weeks!) will drop off very rapidly leaving those of us who stupidly invested faith in Nokia looking ridiculous once again. The WP7.x devices will already be a back water (like Symbian) by the end of this year and will see very little new content during 2013 and none I would say by 2014. Compare that to the life cycle of Apple and Android devices.

By not clarifying this issue immediately Nokia are financially disadvantaging those who bought Lumia devices who either may be able to return their devices under “cooling off periods” (thinking particularly of Lumia 900 customers in Europe after it was just launched there) or may choose to pay to get out of contracts or sell their device second hand whilst they still retain any value. By further delaying clarification Nokia will be directly responsible for any further loses customers who want to take this course may sustain.
Yu Chin Han

Great job, nokia. I can see a great way ahead of you. Seriously.
- John Kowalski
  
  Kill symbian – great job. Throw away harmattan – super. Release laggy, limited and useless WP phone – great way Nokia! Any new bright ideas?
  - judazuk
    
    agree with you …except Windows Phone is anything but laggy .. its super fast and not useless
  - judazuk
    
    agree with you …except Windows Phone is anything but laggy .. its super fast and not useless
DragosStefan

MS: abandoned Windows CE, abandons WP7.5; Nokia: abandoned Symbian, abandoned Meego, abandons WP7.5.
It’s hard to swallow that I bought the flagship WP device (Lumia 800) few months ago, which was underpowered, had the most immature OS on the market, made for a terrible IM & Skype device but had a nice UI. And now I’m told that reliable IM & Skype won’t come and the flagship device will stay with its ridiculous feature set.
Nokia, you deserve what’s happening to you. Burn in hell, with your platform and everything.
- http://twitter.com/dylanmfh Dylan Falk-Hutchings
  
  Nokia did not abandon windows phone 7.5..if you looked it up they are releasing 7.8 with new features for the lumia single core devices. Would you of rather have your single core device upgraded to 8.0 and be slow and laggy or would you have rather waited this long to get a nokia device that would be dual core that CAN run 8.0? The problem before was windows phone 7.5 did not support multi-core chips at the time. This is more Microsoft fault for not supporting multi-core chips in the first place, not nokias.
  - DragosStefan
    
    It will have the home screen. That’s all. And I couldn’t care less whose fault it is. Anyway, Nokia knew all along and of course they had something to say in the process.
  - http://www.facebook.com/srinivasan.kumar.100 Srinivasan Kumar
    
    Nokia know that they are going to Produce and Sell a Beta Testing Device Which will not going to have any Upgrade and now to satisfy the deceived loyal customers (like me) they are going to repaint the home screen new (which is already nice!)
http://twitter.com/Musab_2012 Musa’b

What the fuck is going with you NOKIA ?
Seriously, It is just one word: NOKIA should fire the stupid CEO Stephen Elop ..Microsoft -Nokia deal was a stupid step !

NOKIA FAILS

Samsung Wins !

Bye Bye NOKIA
Karl Maria Fattig

Sorry, for some reason my comments were not inserted after the messages they replied to. As far as a lawsuit goes, I doubt it. But I do think that both Nokia and MSFT need to understand the difficulty THEY have put some of their wildest supporters in.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001684599961 Daniel Maycock

Not sure I like the new screen layout, looks very jumbled. The WP7.5 layout is nicer for me. Quite like the Lumia 800 seems nice I like the smoothness of it.
- http://twitter.com/dylanmfh Dylan Falk-Hutchings
  
  I thought the same thing when they showed it first, but you do not HAVE to use the small ones, you can set it up to be the same way as it is right now.
  - judazuk
    
    actually no you cant … you will äoose the “side bar” , and i kind of like that. , specially when trying to guide users via mail… “Swiping to the left” to get the program list they don’t get, but pressing the arrow they do. :)
  - judazuk
    
    actually no you cant … you will äoose the “side bar” , and i kind of like that. , specially when trying to guide users via mail… “Swiping to the left” to get the program list they don’t get, but pressing the arrow they do. :)
Mark Burland

NFC NFC NFC NFC NFC NFC – what is NFC!? National Football Championship? Nicely Fried Chicken?
- http://twitter.com/dylanmfh Dylan Falk-Hutchings
  
  near field communication.
Keef_b

No point having WP8 on a device that does’t have the hardware that WP8 can support. Keep the current phones fast with WP7.8
Owen Stillman

It tooooo cluttered don’t like it at all!
Owen Stillman

It tooooo cluttered don’t like it at all!
jayydee92

Some of these posts are hilariously over the top. Telling them to burn in hell is, I’m sorry, rediculous. Nokia doesn’t have control over what Microsoft does with its software, and while it sucks that the current phones won’t get the new OS, it kind of makes sense, given the leap in hardware requirements for WP8. Things become obsolete, that’s just a fact of the technology world. It’ll hurt Nokia for sure, though.
- John Kowalski
  
  Firstly, noone put Elop under the pressure to sign devil deal with M$, no one put a gun on his head to and ask to get rid of symbian and meego.
  Secondly, the Lumia should o to Guinness book of records for shortest support in history. Even your crappy vacuum cleaner has one year of guarantee. 3 months LOL.
  - jayydee92
    
    WP7 is a better OS than either of those. He couldn’t have forseen this MS bitchslap. WTF with the devil talk, is this site populated by some cult?
    - donpelayo
      
      apparently, he was well aware of the lack of a transition path from wp7 to wp8. But it was Nokia’s sole decision to kill Symbian so much in advance and to bet the house on WP7 knowing what would happen. I don’t blame MS for Nokia’s (or Elop’s) poor execution and tactics.
  - donpelayo
    
    Secondly, the Lumia should o to Guinness book of records for shortest support in history.
    i think that dishonor goes to Microsoft’s own line of MS Kin phones that lasted what, 3 weeks, in the market? ;D
- John Kowalski
  
  Firstly, noone put Elop under the pressure to sign devil deal with M$, no one put a gun on his head to and ask to get rid of symbian and meego.
  Secondly, the Lumia should o to Guinness book of records for shortest support in history. Even your crappy vacuum cleaner has one year of guarantee. 3 months LOL.
http://twitter.com/spyinthesky Spyinthesky

Obsolete in months? wow some people will tolerate almost anything and the suggestion above that existing users will be able to get updates as if you can get the new os is pure double dealing. Shame on Nokia and on Microsoft but oh so predictable.
http://twitter.com/spyinthesky Spyinthesky

Obsolete in months? wow some people will tolerate almost anything and the suggestion above that existing users will be able to get updates as if you can get the new os is pure double dealing. Shame on Nokia and on Microsoft but oh so predictable.
http://twitter.com/spyinthesky Spyinthesky

Obsolete in months? wow some people will tolerate almost anything and the suggestion above that existing users will be able to get updates as if you can get the new os is pure double dealing. Shame on Nokia and on Microsoft but oh so predictable.
Suriya Narayanan

Nokia should have chosen Android…
http://twitter.com/Youthlesswolf Matt

People saying that their current windows phones will be obsolete when WP8 comes out.. Do your research, there be WP 7.8 what has some of the features WP8 has. NFC means Near-Field Communication
- http://twitter.com/fogel35 Fogel
  
  Stop spreading this stuff. Microsoft said 7.8 is only getting the start screen and customization. No where did it say the features that don’t require NFC will show up on 7.8. Features like no sleep WiFI, background GPS, background VoIP, background instant messaging could very well be dual core dependent or kernel dependent. Which would leave it out of 7.8.
- TechInsane
  
  I always find people like you perplexing, when one procures a phone, one expects it to last, not upgrade a $500+ phone every year, what msft, is currently pushing is really a slap in the face to some of us. I know there is the bloody ce vs NT kernal arguments but it more of a rip off to me. People who bought the lumia’s especially should be ticked off. WP7 market share is so small compared to the others, with the few customers that they have, they are now chasing them away. I am all for technology but common sense should be also part of the equation in regards to the customers who spend their money on their phones, I rather not upgrade my phone every year, i hate contract carrier phones, so for people like me I have to always buy unlocked phones. And yes, i do not have to upgrade if I do not want to but that is the case. i feel betrayed like i was when Nokia dropped major support for Symbian and now the 808 coming with only 3G.
  
  i do not want the other phones out there, just wished companies would thing more than just the quarterly net profits.
xekrax

Nokia is dropping down…I have Lumia 800, I bought for few reasons: it will get WP8, nice and simple. I hate for doing this.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=614651471 Rafael Conde

What are “some of the new features” that current Lumia users will experience in 7.8, is there a list?. What will be missing?
- http://www.facebook.com/theliamcooke Liam Cooke
  
  Just some apps and NFC ect…Just hardware specific things, the update should be out in the coming week for the lumia range.
  - judazuk
    
    yeah .. now i know that’s not true ..
    
    We will not get additional languages, VPN support, Bitlocker encryption support, IE10 with smart-screen, integrated Skype or anything else next week , except maybe …that’s a big maybe .tethering that should have been out for a while now.
    
    and maybe some of the ‘Tango features’ that was coming anyway like improved mms and import/export contacts to SIM
- http://www.facebook.com/theliamcooke Liam Cooke
  
  Just some apps and NFC ect…Just hardware specific things, the update should be out in the coming week for the lumia range.
- Thomas F
  
  They will get the new home screen… that is it.. WP8 is a 100 % new platform…
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=614651471 Rafael Conde

What are “some of the new features” that current Lumia users will experience in 7.8, is there a list?. What will be missing?
rpasea

Mistake number 1 by Elop: killing Symbian before WP7 products were in the pipeline. Mistake number 2: killing WP7 products before WP8 products are ready. WP7 products may be fine but he just killed sales for the next few months. If the goal is to drive Nokia’s value down so MSFT can buy it super cheap, everything is working according to plan. Cash flow just fell off a cliff.
- http://twitter.com/muhmahmed Muhammad Ahmed
  
  It seems like, Elop is a trojen from MS to buy Nokia damn cheap!
http://www.facebook.com/scsidan Danie Du Toit

Lumia customers are just getting same treatment symbian customers now. And WP8 is just microsoft’s way of saying “we are microsoft and we do what we want”. Don’t be fooled by these promises by nokia about 7.8 and future updates. Remember Carla and Donna.
Lovrena

Nokia and Microsoft should learn the marketing tricks (khmmm… how to lie) from Apple. The new iOS releases are always pushed to all in-store models, however in real the older gadgets are barely improved at all. For example the iOS 5 Siri and the iOS 6 voice navigation is iPhone 4S exclusive (on phone series), while the iOS 6 for iPhone 3GS is just a cosmetic change without any real improvement. Moving towards OpenGL ES 2.0 and Retina displays caused a compatibility break anyway, but it was hidden in the corporate communication.

Lesson to learn: complete honesty not always pays off! Releasing the Windows Phone 7.8 update under the name of Windows Phone 8 would have been making much less noise and would hurt much less the Lumia portfolio and the Nokia brand itself. And to be honest: the 7.8 update will bring all possibly update to the older models, without the native C/C++ support and the DirectX 9c compatibility and Nokia Maps. Most of the non-delivered changes are hardware related, so these limitations could have been easily communicated.

In the current setup the Lumia 900 owners feels betrayed and even Nokia’s true commitment to support for the “legacy” devices cannot help. The fact is that they can’t upgrade to the newest OS version (I mean version number!), so the few month old phone feels obsolete. This far to honest communication will have strong negative effect on Nokia’s Q3 financial performance, and will make many Lumia customers upset.

Regardless, I love Nokia’s honesty and the commitment to continuous learning and innovation.
Lovrena

Nokia and Microsoft should learn the marketing tricks from Apple. The new iOS releases are always pushed to all in-store models, however not all features are pushed to the older models due to hadrware limitations or product positioning. Moving towards OpenGL ES 2.0 and Retina displays caused a backward compatibility break (nicely hidden in the corporate communication), but the customers are generally happy.

Complete honesty not always pays off! Releasing the Windows Phone 7.8 update under the name of Windows Phone 8 would have been making much less noise. In fact the 7.8 update will bring all possibly improvements to the current portfolio, save for the native C/C++ support and Nokia Maps. Most of the non-delivered changes are hardware related (e.g. DirectX 9c). The only problem is that many WP7 owners feel betrayed and what is hard to offset with Nokia’s true commitment to support.

Regardless, I love Nokia’s honesty and the commitment to continuous learning and innovation. And looking forward to get a Lumia PureView and an Asha 311. :)
- http://www.facebook.com/theliamcooke Liam Cooke
  
  My thought exactly, i said that they should do this…
- http://www.facebook.com/theliamcooke Liam Cooke
  
  My thought exactly, i said that they should do this…
- snoflake
  
  Except of course that older generations of iPhones are capable of running 99% of the newest apps in the App store – completely UNLIKE WP7.8->WP8.
  
  So errrr massive fail. At this momsent Nokia are still attempting to sell Lumia 900 at GBP499 in UK this is a device that has one update coming (7.8) and NO upgrade cycle at all after that. So whilst Apple owners are getting updates in 2013 and 2014 nothing (of any importance) will come to Lumia 900 buyers. If that’s not terrible value what is? All those cool new feature MS will bring out to WP8.x and its various iterations will NOT come to current Lumia owners. We may get a few window dressing add ons fro Nokia but they will be cumbersome bolt ons and not integral to the OS and that’s because Nokia now have relatively little control over the OS as they are merely an OEM and MS is much more restrictive with WP than say Android.
  
  Currently WP has one of the smaller app stores and is widely acknowledged that although very pretty and slick to be somewhat feature incomplete. I bought a Lumia expecting that his would be addressed in updates only to discover mere weeks later that our generation of devices have been cut adrif. We will not see the majority of new apps to come as they will be written to target Windows 8, and Windows8RT users as well and hence will be written to the new kernel and will exclude legacy devices. Meanwhile as MS is going to do no more work on our devices they are going to remain 3/4 finished now that they are going to concentrate solely on their new WP8 devices.
  
  So in that sense the whole experience is the exact opposite to Apple and their support of existing customers.
  
  Obviously if devices do not have hardware like NFC or FFC’s then not going to get software to use it but this is not the case I have described above this is a software consideration purely and the fact there is a (much needed) kernel break which Nokia was well aware of when promoting devices and implied a much longer support cycle than they’re going to deliver. The point of buying a smartphone unlike the dumbphones Nokia used to rule is that they are evolving devices that can continue to have new functions and information added to them throughout the entire course of its life rather than being stuck exactly as it was when you bought it which is the experience we are mostly going to have as Lumia buyers. We are the unfortunate owners of yet another Nokia evolutionary dead end.
Budule

Why my post get deleted?
http://www.facebook.com/theliamcooke Liam Cooke

I know it doesn’t sound like it, but 7.8 brings everything supported by the hardware. They are missing out things like NFC because the hardware doesn’t support it (except in the lumia 610′s case, maybe that will get wp8 updates- rumors are going) Maybe we will see a windows phone 8 lumia edition like suggested by many people and nokia are working with microsoft…Just hold in there.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002511722449 Sergiu Adrian Terec

Will we, current Lumia owners, get anything else from WP7.8 except that start screen? This is not a big of an update as it should be. I know we can’t get all the hot stuff like the new kernel and all it’s implications but still, a few new features and some performance improvements will be welcomed. A faster browser and better regional support like new languages and Xbox Live to all regions would be nice… I am and always have been a Nokia fan and supporter and it seems that when you’re betrayed by the ones you love, you feel the strongest disappointment.
- ashutosh sharma
  
  exactly the point.. they’ve broken trust.
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Budule

The “hardware doesn’t support it”…..thats seems to be the answer i guess and its my fault i guess but i just assumed that a brand new just launched “Flagship” phone with commercials and ads and posters all over the walls of the store HAD the hardware to support it….again, my fault for not checking but i will next time…..but doubtful it will be ms/nokia …..
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DelphiSharp

So I am a Beta Tester….
- snoflake
  
  Ha ha – Yep
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson
  
  Most ironic commercial ever.
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http://www.facebook.com/PotentMangoes Suhayb Ahmad Manzoor

I don’t know whether to wait for windowsphone 8 with pureview or get 808
http://www.facebook.com/PotentMangoes Suhayb Ahmad Manzoor

I don’t know whether to wait for windowsphone 8 with pureview or get 808
judazuk

I’ll just let Hitler tell you know how I feel about WP 7.8
http : // www . youtube . com/watch?v=fW2ZTkTM9L8
- Budule
  
  That is one of the funniest things….EVER!!!…..and exactly the way i reacted……
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001358462135 Dougal Cameron

when can i update my phone? when will it be avaliable?
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GoHeros

Karmas a bitch right Mr. Elop. You gave the N9 DOA status, now your
beloved Lumnia line is at the edge of getting the DOA status ;-)
http://profile.yahoo.com/KUV2RZPC2WA4NYR52NRLDJZIMI Roy

Could someone please verify some strange behaviour in the voting system.

I’m reading the comments in this thread and some of the comments,
though negative do have a worthy argument.For some “strange” reason when you click like”, it appears that comments from posters which are not so good to Windows Phone are flagged by the moderating team and if you press “like” on that message instead of increasing the “like” count it actually decreases, I just realized this, and I’m baffled by this strange behaviour, And guess what? if you press like on a comment which very positive to windows phone the “like” count does increase. I just witnessed this some minutes ago in comments from:
John Kowalski
Spyinthesky
TechInsane
(21-30 of 260 comments).

Please tell me this just a temporary malfcuntion and not moderators trying to steer the public opinion.
- http://conversations.nokia.com/ Heidi Lemmetyinen
  
  Modifying likes on Disqus is not technically possible, and even if it was we wouldn’t do it. Have you tried clearing your cache or accessing the site with another browser?
donpelayo

Are you sure WP8 will not run well on single/core devices? Given that Nokia is committed to take WP to low price points (hence the abandoning of Meltemi and Symbian) I would think WP7 hardware is capable of coping with WP8, but that the upgrade is too difficult to do given how WP7 updates work. This is pure speculation, but I’ve read somewhere an explanation along those lines.
Funderful

WP 7.8 will bring the start screen. End of story. None of the many new ways for programs to run tasks in the background, no fixes to multitasking, no browser improvements or security features and it creates a new programming environment to ensure that many new apps simply won’t run on these yesterday brand new but today abandoned devices. Just a new theme for the start screen. That’s a far cry from how things are handled on the IOS side, not that Apple is perfect either but that’s no the point.

WP7.8 isn’t a limited feature release of WP8 but basically a new desktop theme for WP 7.5.
http://twitter.com/Softnux Softnux

Still not appealing. Redesign and try again.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Vivek-Garg/100001614170053 Vivek Garg

Why not WP8 support both single core and multi core architecture like iOS runs over iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4S? what are the constarints? is WP8 memory hungary?
Kookootz

@hlemmety:disqus : Hi, any news regarding Windows Phone 7.8 language support? Will hebrew be available for the Lumia 800?
Muti Ullah

skype is not running in background live, is windows phone 8 support live background task so if im online and listening music and my friend IM me from skype to my skype and i get notification??? im hating lumia phones due to this, skype doesn’t work in background
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson

The comment stream is a battlefield between existing Lumia users and supporters. I am also disappointed with Nokia. They killed the value of my new Nokia Lumia 900. I bought it for €500. Today for that I could get a Nokia Lumia 820!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003635518214 Gustav Christensson

At first Nokia tried to make it seem that we were getting all the features that Microsoft announced (customization options).

But now, post-October-26, we know that this is a lie. So many features that we will miss. We, Windows Phone users, are going to be smoked by Ben R. and his Windows Phones.

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