Matt Marshall interview: Nokia’s place in the future of mobile

VentureBeat CEO Matt Marshall talks about his views on the future of mobile and where Nokia will fit in

Published by Jeppe Christensen on July 3, 2012

Matt Marshall

The week before Matt Marshall opens a dedicated conference – MobileBeat 2012 – the founder and CEO of VentureBeat talks to us about the future of mobile and his views on Nokia’s place within it.

On the MobileBeat 2012 site, you state that “the most successful players are focusing on one thing: How to make products, services, and devices as compelling and delightful as possible – both visually, and experientially.” How’s Nokia doing in this regard?

Nokia has a great start in this regard. The Lumia 900 feels like it’s in a class of its own, as we’ve reported at VentureBeat, rather than being just a copy cat of some other device. Nokia is successfully drawing on its roots – and creating gorgeous phones. 

The Lumia 900 falls into that tradition. The company employed the same unibody polycarbonate design it first showed off in the N9 MeeGo phone. It doesn’t have that cheap plastic feel of many of the Android phones. 

Beyond that, it’s clear Nokia is pushing for an overall consumer experience that rivals other platforms, one that includes, seamless integration with apps, location and map services, ambient awareness and so on.

There’s been a big focus on the number of apps available on each mobile platform – please share your views on this topic

The appeal of smartphones to a lot of consumers is the wide variety of apps they can download. But developers won’t build apps for a platform until there is a proven consumer demand. It’s a chicken and egg problem, and it’s one that every platform has faced.

There’s a point at which a critical mass is hit, when there are enough apps on the platform where the sheer number no longer matters. 

This may be 20,000, or it may be 40,000, it doesn’t matter. In the end, after critical mass is hit, what matters is the experience.

In general, what’s the next step for apps? How would they need to evolve to really improve the user experience?

Apps are becoming faster, more powerful, and easier to use every day. One trend we’re noticing, is that every electronic device is beginning to run apps on it in one way or another. 

It’s not just computers, phones, and tablets anymore. TVs, sound systems, credit cards, and even cars are turning into platforms that can run apps built by third party developers. The logical next step is for all of these devices to talk to each other and remain in sync. The challenge for developers is going to be working with these platforms that come in all different shapes and sizes, and making sure their apps are simple and elegant enough to be used easily by consumers.

Nokia Lumia 900

What would be your advice for a developer that wants to get started developing apps for Windows Phone and Nokia Lumia?

I would advise developers to jump in and give it a shot. The Windows Phone platform on the Lumia is getting rave reviews across the board, and seems poised to be a hit. 

Right now, developers building apps for the Windows Phone have the advantage of getting in early and marking their territory. I, for one, am not going to bet against Microsoft and Nokia getting out of this space anytime soon. Their phones are already gaining popularity, and the user base is only going to grow from here. Now is the time to capitalize as a mobile developer.

How do you view the changing landscape for developers right now?

It can be a difficult and confusing time for developers right now. Everyone wants to have a solid mobile presence, but deciding which platforms to focus your resources on can be a challenge. 

HTML5 is the promising wave of the future – when developers will be able to build one app that works across every platform – but the technology still isn’t quite there. 

Consumers are still demanding the experience of a native app, which means developers have to make decisions. Apple, Google, Microsoft, and even Amazon are all major players in this battle, and it’s unclear which platform developers should be giving the most love.

Nokia Lumia 800

Nokia is working hard to differentiate and improve the user experience through apps and services such as Nokia Drive, Nokia City Lens and Nokia Transit. What are your views on these initiatives and where do you think Nokia should focus next?

These initiatives are important steps to improving the user experience. People are becoming dependent on their phones to tell them what to eat, where to go, and how to get there. If you can provide that information in a beautiful and entertaining way, people are going to continue to engage with their phones.

I still think media and digital content is an important aspect of the smartphone experience that may warrant more focus. These phones are entertainment devices as much as they are anything else, and if you can distribute that entertainment in a seamless manner, you will have happy customers.

What big trends or developments do you think will define the mobile industry over the next 12-18 months?

As mentioned above, I think one trend will be more and more devices becoming “smart” and having the ability to talk to each other. All of the technology we use in our day-to-day lives will have to eventually be in sync. 

Right now, we think of the mobile industry as our phones and tablets, but that will grow. Credit cards, watches, cars, and plenty of other devices that move around with us are all becoming more sophisticated, but there is still a lot of room for growth and innovation.

Comments

  • MistelMistel

    I wonder where could Nokia fit into my future in mobile usage.

    I had only Nokia devices since the beginning. But with only Windows Phones in the future I see no chance to spent ever again money for a Nokia or in this case Microsoft Device. Very sad outlook. :-(

    • steelicon

      I guess they won’t miss us and the 25 million other Nokia users.

  • r1james

    I think Nokia do not fit in the future, as Lumia 900 do not compete with major players. I like Nokia symbian belle FP2, but not a windowsphones. If microsoft decide to launch their own device (like they do with surface tablet, nokia is a dead company). 

    • steelicon

       We love NOKIA but we don’t like Windows Phone. Just to be clear and on the record.

      • http://conversations.nokia.com/ Adam Fraser

        You’ve made that perfectly clear, Steelicon. On nearly every comment of yours.

  • r1james

    I think Nokia do not fit in the future, as Lumia 900 do not compete with major players. I like Nokia symbian belle FP2, but not a windowsphones. If microsoft decide to launch their own device (like they do with surface tablet, nokia is a dead company). 

  • Mark Edra

    In my opinion, with lumia, nokia got recognized again in the mobile space(and when I say ‘recognized’ I meant in par with Iphone and Android phones). Altho some of its hardware is not comparable against high ends like sgs3 and iphone4s and htc one x, nokia lumia’s design is very attractive(it won several awards!) , it somehow blends a professional sophisticated look while being simple and modern as many common consumers want their phones(nokia is strong in terms of design) plus the great UI experience in the windows phone platform (PLEASE, would you try the platform first and not be skeptic, if you dont like it, its okay , but to think its the same with winmo is like saying nokia 5510 is the same with 5530)

    I wish to be positive with the nokia+microsoft thing, and the reason why lumia have mediocre hardware specs is because they are preparing to release phones with better hardware that would have windows phone 8.

    I do not own any previous high end nokia smartphones that has symbian , qt or meego. I only have an asha, and in my honest opinion, windows phone was what nokia needed to have a market share in the smartphone space(which in some news is becoming apparent)

    I do hope in the future they continue producing low end phones and phones running symbian and maemo or meego just to pacify hardcore nokia fans that doesnt like change just like samsung with their bada os…

    • http://twitter.com/gregstar5 Gregstar5

       Nokia did not need to sell their soul to the devil
      These WindowPhone apologizers are makin me sick to my stomach with their excuses

      • http://www.kurotsuki.web.id/ Kurotsuki Kaitou

         What excuses? He just speaking his opinion. If can’t speak his opinion, then neither of us can. If people who have different opinion with you must shut their mouth, why don’t you try shut your mouth first for giving them example?

        What do you know about running an enterprise as CEO? What do you know about taking any decision when the company is nearly collapsed?

        You know what? People who talking like they know everything (yeah … the way you post makes people thinking that way) IS the one who make me sick.

        • steelicon

          Yes. People like you should shut up. You’re no CEO from the looks of it, either.

          • http://www.kurotsuki.web.id/ Kurotsuki Kaitou

             Yeah. I’m not CEO and have zero experience on being a CEO. That’s why no matter how I dislike Elop decision (which he is not the only one actually, it’s the board decision), I can’t say that they are stupid or anything. Because I don’t know any of their internal problems to take into account. So I can’t say that they selling their soul to certain devil or whatever.

          • MistelMistel

            But we are all able to see from the outside the mistakes the company makes.

            Just look how the Lumia series performs only because they are running only Windows Phone 7. With a great smartphone OS it would be a hit. And Nokia had at least one already finished and ready to release.

          • http://www.kurotsuki.web.id/ Kurotsuki Kaitou

             Well … Lumia (with it’s WP) is out there less than a year. What performance you expect for that short period? Plus, it’s arrive at already overwhelming presence of Android and iOS. In fact, the current Lumia achievement is rather good compared to early Android times back then (I’m not saying Nokia achievement since it would be in general including symbian).

    • r1james

       i see many paid replies here to push windowsphones instead of Symbian or any other. Comments are not serious and notice somehow a paid behind.

      • http://conversations.nokia.com/ Adam Fraser

        Absolutely ridiculous r1james. Your comment is baseless.

        Mark is entitle to his opinion and he calls it as such, as opposed to your comment where you seem to claim it as fact.

        • perecFX

          When you will post article about elops plan B?

      • http://www.kurotsuki.web.id/ Kurotsuki Kaitou

         So if someone commenting about favoring WP then it’s a paid replies and if someone favoring Android it’s a free speech? I don’t get your point.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YZ5PG6AKSB46LER2XJYADDW7DE Keith L

    I think Lumias running WP8 (hopefully with PureView sensors) are going to be the most compelling phones in mobile and Nokia will have a very bright future as the premier vendor for Windows Phone.

    • r1james

       i disagree. WP8 success is not sure. No sales worldwide. Hopefully, nokia keep developing Symbian :)

      • steelicon

         …or take liberties and make Windows Phone 8 more like MeeGo and Symbian…

      • steelicon

         …or even take the Metro UI and port it to MeeGo and Symbian… just like what Android Jellybean did just recently. :)

  • mickey40

    NOKIA – Pull it together and capture the whole world – 1B+.
    I’ll list the specs you’ve already mastered in existing phones.

    I need a Windows Phone 8 phone with:
    1. HDMI out – to a larger screen tv
    2. Bluetooth or NFC keyboard and mouse – for real computer tasks
    3. USB port – to load, save and move stuff
    4. Higher res. – to look good on larger screen
    5. Office – It’s a must to get things done
    6. Camera – like PureView
    I’m assuming the existing apps/games are available on it. 
    I’m also assuming you can continue in great style.

    With this I can toss my computer and carry my (computer) phone in my pocket, between home, work, travel (assuming HDMI becomes even more standardized), anywhere. This phone would be revolutionary. I would not need the desktop computers I’ve had for 35 years.

    Just do it!  Thanks

    • steelicon

      From your description it looks like you need the Nokia 808 PureView, although that runs Nokia Belle FP1, not Windows Phone 8.

      • mickey40

        I don’t think it has HDMI out. Am I wrong?

        • steelicon

          Nokia 808 PureView is already available on Nokia Belle FP1 on Amazon.

          Microsoft Office for Mobile is already out for Nokia 808 PureView for FREE.

          See the QR Codes and launch them, because links are moderated here.

          The Microsoft Office for Mobile is WYSIWYG and is similar to the desktop format.

          Also available for FREE is the Quickoffice Suite for Nokia Belle FP1.

          You should take it for a spin. All of these are also available in Nokia 808, 701, 700, etc.,

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/YZ5PG6AKSB46LER2XJYADDW7DE Keith L

        Have you read any reviews of the 808? The camera is universally praised as the best phone camera there is and Symbian is trashed for it being such a dated, onerous OS. Symbian is history and good riddance. WP8 will pick up the PureView mantle and run away with it.

        • steelicon

          Not only have I read the reviews but I have the actual Nokia 808 PureView actual unit, along with the Nokia 701 unit.

          It is similar to Android than anything and is not convoluted, unlike the early iterations of Symbian. It has a slick interface and does not lag/hang. We use Opera Mobile 12 for browsing. HTML5 Test Score : Opera Mobile 12.00 » Multiple platforms 369 11
          Have you seen the lowly Nokia 603 handle 64 simultaneous open applications, all with save state and without closing them all and resumes where you left them off without them restarting?

          Don’t knock Nokia 808 PureView off until you’ve tried it. You might just like it enough to buy it. :-)

          Here are the QR Codes for the Symbian Belle features, the 64 App Multitasking on the Nokia 603 and AAS review on the Nokia 808 PureView.Scan the codes to get to the links, since links are moderated here. Why wait for a promise with a product that gives you what you want NOW? Symbian will be supported until 2016. Try it before you knock it. :-)

    • perecFX

      any latest Symbian belle phone has this stuff, why would you need Windows phone for this????

      • mickey40

        Please name a Symbian phone model so I can go buy it. I thought I have been watching for it. Thanks

        • Cliff Ravelo

          Nokia N8 and Nokia 808.